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How terrorism is in OGF?

Posted by Jesus Antonio on 12 December 2017 in English (English)

I really want to know how is terrorism in OGF and who causes it.

PD: I have this questions since 2 months so i will ask it now

Comment from wangi on 12 December 2017 at 23:57

(the primary method of OGF-related terrorism is user diary posting)

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Comment from Jesus Antonio on 13 December 2017 at 00:15

No, iam referring to countries :P

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Comment from zhenkang on 13 December 2017 at 06:48

Lol wangi.

I am thinking of communist terrorists, like in Singkangia, where some people still loyal to communism created the Socialist Salvation Army Singkangia.

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Comment from Aces California on 13 December 2017 at 09:39

Very funny Wangi :P I have to agree with Zhenkang, from the Grand Verdese War, there's still little outfits of communist terrorists in Tierajas-Verdes.

I would say that any terror organizations will strictly be separatist or nationalist in ideology, because there isn't enough of a global consensus on religion to really create any form of religious terrorism. I suppose political ideologies are present too because of the previously mentioned Communist/Maoists, but I would think there be more extreme right-wing as well.

Though speaking of religion and coherency globally, do we still have any consensus on any backstory or information? I know people have made their own religions, including me, there should be somewhat a list of them. Should we promote the fictional religions created than using real life ones?

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Comment from zhenkang on 13 December 2017 at 11:48

I prefer political terrorists to religious terrorist as this will create less problems.

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Comment from Sarepava on 13 December 2017 at 15:58

Realistically, most RW 'terrorism' (it's “freedom fighting" if a powerful country decides the guerillas are politically expedient) is political or territorial and religion is simply used as a rationalisation or to know who the enemy is.

Whilst it's realistic that there would be bomb threats and masked guerillas issueing demands on TV, I am keen for OGF not to be under the influence of the 'global terror network' the media have been so keen on frightening us with for the last fifteen years. If you think about it, it makes far more sense to have local groups fighting for a particular aim rather than 'some bad people are trying to kill everyone just because they hate us, who are innocent' narrative.

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Comment from ParAvion on 13 December 2017 at 22:04

Continuing on from what Sarepava said, I'm not keen on our world following Earth that closely. I'm not saying that "terrorism" (whatever the definition of that may be) shouldn't exist here, but I don't think escalating it to the scale of the real world is worth doing. Rather than being whipped up into a frenzy by the media, the good people of our countries should just focus on what they do best - buying stuff.

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Comment from FictiveJ on 14 December 2017 at 07:13

Isn't the main terrorism in OGF based on ethnic groups? For instance there was the conflict in Suvuma some time back...

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Comment from zhenkang on 14 December 2017 at 08:22

Possibly terrorism on a global scale is not as common as regional ones.

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Comment from Aces California on 14 December 2017 at 09:29

I agree that there shouldn't be a global-scale threat of terrorism, and that for all intent and purpose it should be regional at the largest. And religious based terrorism shouldn't be the main instigator of threats, but it would make sense to put any threat into context. Most threats come from groups at least seen as oppressed by the current system, in this world it seems like it's mostly communistical threats more than anything.

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Comment from Alessa on 14 December 2017 at 15:54

Please forgive what is going to be a pretty blunt post.

For me, this isn't a question of whether-there-is or whether-there-isn't. I simply ask this: why does it matter for your mapping? Do you have an interesting way you want to portray a terrorist attack, rogue group, or insurgency of some kind on the map? If not, are you asking for advice on how to do that? Or, is this just trying to make smalltalk about a very tough real-world issue?

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Comment from Aces California on 15 December 2017 at 09:58

Again Alessa this is one of those topics that only is relevant if you view like...roleplaying or lore-building an essential part of your OGF experience. If you just use OGF for mapping purely, then you don't need to worry about it, you do you, but for those who want to add lore to their country and to the world, questions like these are good to figure out. For some people like us (those who commented on the thread) lore-building is just another part of OGF that you can do to give a sense of realism.

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Comment from Alessa on 15 December 2017 at 13:37

@Aces, I totally understand the lore-building and have nothing against those that do it. I've done a fair amount myself, in fact. I'm just trying to understand the intention of the question here, given that it gets into a very difficult real-world topic. Even with lore-building there is a mapping element that works its way in (something as simple as names or locations of facilities in a community). I'm all for developing a global lore, if there is a desire for this—I'd be one of the first to be a part of it. Frankly, I wish we had a little bit more to work with. On this site (with its policies like overwikification), it still comes back to how things are ultimately going to be mapped. So, my original post stands simply because I'm trying to understand if there's something interesting users are trying to create or if advice is being sought.

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Comment from Ernestpcosby on 15 December 2017 at 14:43

@Alessa the impression I have gotten (I had also wondered about this when working with the old Woolonia before the project stopped and changed drastically) is that it was helpful in generating the overall feel of a country that would be more likely to deal with these types of attacks, which would inform the mapping. That is assuming we're not talking about rare terror-like incidents in major cities, which may be less intertwined in the mapping detail than in a country prone to having terror-like conflict. I'm not sure about specifics though

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Comment from Alessa on 15 December 2017 at 15:10

@Ernestpcosby I agree wholeheartedly with what you said. And, I fear that I may have misrepresented myself in my above statement with the tone. I think we should do more cultural development to help make things realistic and detailed. I agree with Aces's point about lore-building. Fully! Maybe my previous interactions and observations have bred an irrational fear of overwikification. (I'm one of those people that thinks the map and wiki should go hand-in-hand and would love to do a bit more.) I'm also not saying there shouldn't be any terrorism or that this issue shouldn't be addressed. I'm just trying to understand why it the concept of terrorism matters here. If it's going to create something interesting in the OGF world, great! I'm all for creative ideas. If it is a general inquiry, that's fine too. At the same time, this is a tough issue in real life that has very real consequences and a lot of opinions/emotions/viewpoints.

You are right to note that a threat of terrorism changes how the culture reacts—thereby changing the mapping. There are plenty of places on the map and wiki that address things like this. Udi does a great job with the TE (which might be regarded by some as a terrorist organization); Yuanls has been working on showing the Agardirian crisis; the Goytakanya–Suvuma issue is fascinating too. Even I did the Commonian shooting-down of a Maureti airliner (Mauretia views Commonia as a rogue state). I think it is absolutely something we can look into, and I'm not against the idea. I fear that my response created some illusion that I'm against it. Again, perhaps the blunt tone of my original post is to blame. If so, my sincerest apologies.

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Comment from Jesus Antonio on 16 December 2017 at 02:38

So my country will be terror... Thanks to everyone!

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Comment from Jesus Antonio on 16 December 2017 at 15:01

Oh and alessa you hav my apologies

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Comment from Jesus Antonio on 16 December 2017 at 15:01

@Alessa i acept you apologies

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