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Cycling provision in OGF cities

Posted by Sarepava on 27 June 2017 in English (English)

The OGF planet is even more industrialised than the real world, even though only half the world has been mapped so far. It is thus inevitable that the problems of worldwide climate change, air pollution and fossil fuel shortages would likely be even more advanced than in real life. Whilst we can expect there to be a comparable battle of words and politics going on between governments, the green movement, the oil and auto industries and private citizens, it seems likely that efforts to tackle these problems would be at a different stage to the real world - hopefully more advanced. Either way, the likely state of the world is that oil is getting more expensive as it runs out, and this is going to have the biggest impact on transport.

With this in mind, how advanced is the cycling culture and provision in your country, specifically your cities? It is going to be almost inevitable that citizens are economically pushed towards both electric cars and bikes, and enlightened and democratic governments are going to realise the latter is the better choice to encourage. As a keen cyclist myself, I've started mapping in much greater detail the urban cycling provision of Karolia, which is at an almost Netherlands-like level (with somewhat less exclusion of motor vehicles from the city centres, but deliberately limited car parking vs adequate bike parking) and with a comparable cycling culture where cars are seen as a secondary option to be used on longer journeys or when heavy items must be carried. By contrast, perhaps your territory has a piecemeal provision that makes some cheap fixes but overall still favours cars, or is an outright hostile environment for anyone not driving.

I've been pleased to see a growing network of segregated and efficient cycleways in Gobras City, a metropolis that must surely have appalling traffic and a metro that is likely hot and crowded in its current state. It seems like a pretty good city to ride in, with the pushes described above and the additional pulls of being flat and having a decent amount of green spaces.

Comment from kingfries on 28 June 2017 at 05:20

Kingdom of Pasalia here, I imagine this Country would have a hard time of Gas prices rise because I'm currently working on mapping it as a giant sprawling suburban mess...so... Sorry for the climate Change folks... (There is biking infrastructure on the couple of islands tho.) Puts that on list

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Comment from martinum4 on 28 June 2017 at 05:56

In my country I already started to map some amenity=charging_station for electric cars. Between most cities there's some kind of cycle/footway beside big (highway=primary/secondary) roads, and some highway=track are paved (tracktype=grade1) for smoother riding without having any cars around you. Biking on the sidewalk in cities is allowed as long as you don't endanger anyone.

Kind regards

Martin

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Comment from zhenkang on 28 June 2017 at 08:18

Being a former Karolian colony, Singkangia will construct new bicycle roads in the future, with some of the residential roads changing to bicycle tracks.

I think there should be some AN international agreement on this, like the Paris climate accord and the older Kyoto protocol.

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Comment from trabantemnaksiezyc on 28 June 2017 at 09:32

Nah, global warming is bollocks. But cycling in Shilesia is popular anyway, although it's hard to find any cycling infrastructure. It's slowly changing with the addition of cycling roads right next to refurbishments of squares, but still there aren't many cycleways.

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Comment from Myrcia on 28 June 2017 at 10:50

Global warming is a very serious issue in Myrcia and there has been a Green/Socialist coalition in power both nationally and in the capital for over a decade now. Car ownership has also been historically low on the island due to its compact size on good public transport networks. There are a large number of cycle routes in Dunwic but they are rarely tagged as cycleways because they are often shared paths or on quiet streets.

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Comment from Ūdilugbulgidħū on 28 June 2017 at 11:46

I don't know how to incorporate this into Kezepolan. There are no privately owned cars anyway, so there must be reasonably good public transport. But in the winter its cold and snowy enough that cycling might be a major hazard (heated cycle paths? has been considered). I can't really see the global warming changing this - though in the longer term it might. The old skateways might no longer be usable all through the winter. Parts of the island will be threatened by sea level rise - I'm thinking I'll need some storm surge barriers - like PortCal's in Trevers. I think I'll map more separated/shared cycle routes at some point, but for me this comes a lot later. Historical city planning progresses slowly.

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Comment from Marcello on 28 June 2017 at 12:00

Mapping a bonsai -sized island state in the tropics I have little need for separate cycling facilities. My locals will cycle where they want, and I really wonder whether tourists come to a tropical island for cycling. But I got your point and I think it is valid. In 'my' larger city at West Commonia (Nuevo Espíritu) I will make cycling lanes, especially to the University Campus; students are probably a good pioneer population for cycling.

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Comment from wangi on 28 June 2017 at 12:04

Gobras City cycling - http://imgur.com/a/BQrlB

Gobras City has large areas built around cycling; it's somewhat useful, and can serve as a quick reference, for working out who did the bulk of editing in an area ;)

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Comment from ParAvion on 28 June 2017 at 14:25

Cycling is becoming more popular in Vodeo, particularly in larger cities where increasing traffic and concern for the environment are playing more important roles. They are not marked as such on the map, as like Dunwic they are shared with roads and streets.

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Comment from No Way on 28 June 2017 at 15:08

Climate change is a farce and a scheme to bilk billions.

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Comment from Leowezy on 28 June 2017 at 16:54

To avoid to blunder into another debate about a "controversial" topic on this platform akin to the discussion about homosexuality a while ago (cough gays and lesbians will be given the right to marry in Germany in two days cough), I'd just say that while cycling is a viable mode of transportation for many Kojolese people, it's nowhere near real-world Scandinavian proportions ;) Public policy is mostly centered around public transportation as an alternative to car travel, and especially in dense urban centres walking will get you to a wide array of daily necessities as well.

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Comment from Portopolis on 28 June 2017 at 17:10

While, I believe in climate change their is no equivalent to U.S, India or China in this world, and while their is a lot of countries, the lack of second world countries which are some of the heaviest users of fossil fuels, as industrialized nations reduce their emissions makes it clear that while our world is industrialized we have no idea how much oil is in the world or how much is being used. Also with more industrialized nations likely renewable energy services are more advanced than in the real world. It is probably realistic with the sheer number of industrialized nations many technologies are at least ten years more developed than real day earth. My dad works in the oil industry and their seems to be new oil found every few months, and many oil heavy areas aren't tapping into their resources and many don't even know how much oil they have.

For my two nations- Lallemand is an oil producing nation, no problem here, the island is also very small and importing cars is expensive especially with most countries being first world compared to Lallemand. So I assume similar to Nigeria people many people will walk everywhere, and maybe cycling would be huge, as well as buses likely.

Hoppon- I am thinking of having ethanol being a huge thing here as oil (unless my neighbors start placing large oil fields in their nations), wouldn't have come into the nation massively until after the 1970s or 1980s. My large central cities will use rail transportation, but cycling is also likely although no where as much as Karolia.

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Comment from Sarepava on 28 June 2017 at 17:11

Careful about calling it 'global warming' - in some scenarios parts of the world get colder in winter, wetter, more extreme weather. That's why 'climate change' is preferred nowadays. Gobras City would likely see more tornadoes, sea currents in the Asperic will change, etc

You can decide it doesn't exist in the fantasy world of OGF, but please don't start posting ignorant head-in-sand denialism about something that is very real and a huge threat to human and animal life here. If you can provide evidence that somebody has staged a conspiracy where millions of scientists have been bribed into faking thousands of studies over the last thirty years and simultaneously managed to convince businesses, the majority of world leaders and international media whilst somehow leaving no evidence of this massive con, then I will gladly change my mind. Until then, fossil fuels are going to run out and the planet's ecosystem continue to be irreversibly damaged whether you want to believe it or not. And if you live in most developed countries, chances are that the days of gas-guzzlers being top of the pile are already starting to come to an end. If you're still addicted to your car now, expect to see your access, speed, economic advantages and convenience be steadily and sharply curtailed in favour of those on two wheels, shoes and things that run on rails - the idea being that you switch to one of the above. This is not about a particular political party of standpoint, it's simply the only sensible and fair solution to a whole lot of problems, and as such OGF could be a great way of demonstrating this and building livable cities, even if it's just fantasy for us.

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Comment from TheHolyEpicpenguin on 28 June 2017 at 17:52

In Gagium, little of the population actually cares about climate change, considering that the country has around the same climate as real-life Florida, and (is going to) revolves around tourism.

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Comment from Portopolis on 28 June 2017 at 17:52

Sarepava, I know what you mean but out here in the U.S most people don't deny climate change, many (mostly Republicans) just argue that it isn't human accelerated. I have asked that same question many times as both my parents worked for most of their careers in the oil industry and I used to find it insulting that people believe that a huge movement managed to dupe not only my parents but their coworkers and their CEOs into believing something is false. But I have asked once, the oil companies are one of the biggest power holders in the world besides maybe bankers, if it was false they could easily out-fund anyone who is funding climate change as false. Yet their believers and in my parents companies are both investing heavily in renewable energy as well as natural gas and oil. their leaving their bread and butter for more risky ventures. I know saying this hurts me but human accelerated Climate Change is considered a political issue (At least in the U.S) and it would be better to avoid discussing Cycling in the frame of a Climate Change issue.

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Comment from Yuanls on 28 June 2017 at 18:09

Glaster is a minor country, and not one that has a special interest in cycling or going green at any unusually fast rate. Not something that I spent my time thinking about in any great detail. My bike is in my garage and since the door jammed a few years ago, I cannot get it out.

On the issue of climate, having just exchanged blows with someone on this subject on another website. I have to say that I'm less convinced that global warming is a hoax after hearing his arguments. To be fair, he had little understanding of any scientific processes and did not seem to be too bright a person anyhow.

Even if you do not believe in all this, surely you must accept that human activity, in its current shape and form, is unsustainable and needs to be rectified. Some parts of the world experience unprecedented levels of air, water and land pollution, deforestation and the loss of habitat, illegal poaching, litter being detrimental to urban environments as well as being harmful to animals. Switching to cleaner, more sustainable fuels is necessary, even if it is not intended purely to stop the effects of climate change. China can be seen as a good example of this.

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Comment from Sarepava on 28 June 2017 at 18:31

Let's be careful not to let this unravel into sniping and mud-slinging - the point of the premise was that climate change might be more advanced in OGF and so transportation - which is a huge part of mapping - would reflect this, particularly human-powered transport. I also feel I should add that in no way is this meant either to troll MMCC deniers or to be a virtue-signalling cyclist - I do also drive and take ferries and diesel trains.

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Comment from Black Baron on 28 June 2017 at 20:35

Castilea Archantea is a green country and by the next year long bike routes will be constructed. In addition, electric cars are preferred by our population, which reads, studies and/or works in most scientific projects. Alternative energies are also preferred by the government. By the next months you will find there a lot of mountain tracks and places to know the mountains, rivers, lakes, wetlands, beaches, and so on... . Happy mapping! Great idea.

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Comment from dono87 on 28 June 2017 at 22:18

The Gobras City cycle map makes sense, given the concentration of metro lines around Lamme/GSWX and soooo maaaany highways, each with express/HOT lanes in the eastern suburbs. I would expect some American-style auto oriented sprawl to fill in the gaps in the East (although there are a lot of commuter rail lines to contend with too).

I wonder what kind of political divides are on display within the National Capital District elections as well? ;)

Ataraxia is a medium-cycling country, not cycle crazy and really depends city by city. Ataraxia City is spread out for a large metro, with bikes not practical to cover long distances and a few large bodies of water to cross depending on your point of origin. Fenelec has a lot of bike infrastructure, including a cycleway along the Coronado River crossing the entire metro area, despite being in foothills which makes cycling in some neighborhoods difficult.

Ataraxia is a signatory to global environmental initiatives, but believes we should deeply study the economic impacts of proposed remedies or regulations before taking any drastic actions ;)

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Comment from geoboi on 28 June 2017 at 22:38

I'd really be interested in seeing someone making a map of the OGF world that shows where all natural disasters can take place (hurricanes/cyclones/typhoons, tornados, earthquakes, tsunamis, sandstorms, monsoons, wildfires, heat waves, blizzards, snowstorms, etc.). Then, relating to this thread, someone can write about what effects climate change can have on the OGF planet (also, who thinks Alterra is a good name for the OGF planet?).

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Comment from Ernestpcosby on 28 June 2017 at 23:09

I want to make Freedemia a medium cycling country, where transit comes first, cars are still in second though bikes are gaining, and bikes are used mainly for short distances; however, I want it to be the type of country where the facilities and lanes exist for cycling to be viable and where bikes are growing in travel share.

I've made steps towards this with a new bikeshare program just opened in Quentinsburgh run by QUARTA and bike lane improvements in progress, at least in major cities like Quentinsburgh, but I'm still figuring out what that's going to look like. I have a lot of greenways right now and more planned, but I've yet to figure out exactly what the urban biking aspect would look like.

Downtown Quentinsburgh has been a question, with me trying to decide whether bike lanes would continue into downtown in more of a complete street fashion, and how bike lanes and bus priority lanes ("almost-bus-lanes" in Freedemia that are for buses and cars immediately turning right) would coexist on the larger trunk roads.

What I've currently imagined is that most major thoroughfares have the greenway-style bike paths next to them instead of traditional sidewalks, wide enough that cyclists and pedestrians could share the pathway. To be honest, I had prioritized public transit over cycling, so I have a lot of work to do to make cycling viable as well. Cycling would definitely help solve the "last mile" issue I've been dealing with.

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Comment from plainoldbread on 29 June 2017 at 02:14

Planoria has combatted Global Warming by not only making bike lanes. They have created; pylons by bike lanes to prevent cyclist collisions. Electric cars have been the only type of car sold in the country since 1999.

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Comment from trabantemnaksiezyc on 29 June 2017 at 08:23

^ but there weren't any electric cars in 1999. They are a relatively new invention, somewhere in late '00s and early '10s.

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Comment from PortCal on 29 June 2017 at 13:22

While cycling was not a priority when I started mapping in Paroy, during mapping it's really hard to leave out bike lanes in the city planning - especially when you're Dutch and everything around you "evolves" around bikes. Thus, cycling culture in Paroy will be quiet important and advanced, and is rapidly developing in most cities and many villages. Also, the Paroyan federal government as well as most state and local governments acknowledge global warming and actively supports many initiatives to change transporation, the way cities work and to decelerate global warming

There are a few starting segments of both designated and shared bike lines in Trevers and my most recent creation Castmore, but I plan to extend this when neighbourhoods become more detailed. Besides that, in my logic there is a bike lane along every streetside. Now I realise this is not the case and I should add these lanes next to most roads. It will not be as extensive as Amsterdam, but the bicycle takes up an important space of the streetscape. While Trevers is not entirely flat, cycling in most city districts is possible.

Besides just adding more bike lanes I also want to reinvent the way of biking. In many Dutch cities there are already smart city solutions to make cycling a better (read by far the best) way of short-distance transportation in a city. These solutions are gaining popularity in cities like Paris, New York and London too. I will start to add such things in Trevers too. Most streets of the inner city and busy locations in the city are going to be carfree, and only public transport, bikes and pedestrian areas exits in a shared space. Many busy and dangerous intersections have special traffic lights for cyclists. At all public transport hubs, bicycle parking and bike rental are present. Travelling with bikes is allowed in some long-distance trains, all commuter trains and all metro trains except for the light metro lines.

On the topic of electric cars, at every gas station that currently exist in Paroy there are areas where 'EVC' (= EV charging) is possible. There will also be dedicated spaces for this, but these will especially exist in cities. I also have to focus more on green spaces in the city. In the suburbs, these are more prominently present.

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Comment from Sarepava on 29 June 2017 at 14:11

PortCal, I would be very interested to see and hear how such infrastructure can be shown on a map - a lot of OSM for the Netherlands just maps normal streets, sometimes the bike lanes are shown too in wide pedestrian streets but most of a bike-dominated city centre like Groningen (where my sister lives and cycles) just looks like other old European city centres. I would love to make Karolian cities look more like Dutch ones, even if we have more hills, and what you've planned for Paroy is basically what things are going to be like in Santjana, Liivu, Fontjana, Kanton, etc. I live in the UK and whilst cycling provision is far from the worst in my city (and recently announced to get a lot better) I see more examples of what roads NOT to build than what works on my daily rides.

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Comment from Marcello on 29 June 2017 at 14:52

As far as I know, some street types in OSM 'presume' (potential) cycle lanes. If the cycle lane is part of the street and only separated by a painted line, it should not be mapped separately. Only when the cycling lane is physically separate from the main street body it should be mapped, otherwise tags or advanced details for the road should be used - that should theoretically be good enough to be used by bike navigation software. This is why you don't see (separate) cycle path lines (=lanes) in the Netherlands in some cases. That is Dutch OSM use as I am aware of. I keep the same use here, by the way.

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Comment from PortCal on 30 June 2017 at 12:55

@Sarepava indeed, I had expected to see more of the infrastructure to be shown on the map, which is clearly focused on car traffic. So it's only bike lanes for now on the regular map (if they are even shown at all). Groningen coincidentally is also my hometown, and I know there is more bicycle infrastructure then currently is shown on the map. I imagine this infrastructure could be shown best in a seperate layer, just like railways would.

If you look at this site, you already can see how much cycle infrastructure is available in for example Groningen. The nice thing is that you can filter on different paths like OSM, but also things like indicative cyclability of roads, smoothness of cycleways and more. This gives a much more accurate picture of the cycle network, which is quite extensive. I hope in the near future, more cycling options will come to OSM (and with that OGF), as it is obviously gaining popularity in cities.

@Marcello I can understand why that would not be shown in those cases, but in fact most of the cycleways in The Netherlands are seperated from the road all the time. Only occasionally there are lanes that are actually a lane on the road itself.

Besides that, here you can cycle on all roads, except for larger highways, strict pedestrian-only areas and roads where a seperated cycleway is present. While these bicycle tags are added to the streets, but not shown in the OSM map style. Even when you add cycleway:left=track or another of the many cycleway tags, these are just not shown beside the roads on the standard layer.

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Comment from Marcello on 30 June 2017 at 14:01

A Geoboi: I think 'Alterra' would be a very nice name for OGF-world indeed. However, it is the name of a research institute of Wageningen University in the Netherlands. I do not know whether the name is copyrighted in any way.

@PortCal: That was exactly my point. Of lot of ways are mapped with 'cycleway:right=track' or another variant of these, but the standard renderer does not show this. I think we both agree on this point. Only really separately mapped cycle lanes are shown.

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Comment from No Way on 30 June 2017 at 15:54

Why are there so many motorways on OGF when there are so many mappers that believe in Global Warming or Climate Change? I think it is a hoax myself but have very few motorways mapped.

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Comment from Demuth on 30 June 2017 at 21:49

I'm trying very hard to keep roads to a minimum in Østermark, not for any environmental reasons but purely because it's a poor-ish country. I'm planning on having just a few major highways with significant uncompleted sections. My cities are still probably too road-heavy and too infrastructure-heavy, but I'm working on putting in more dirt paths in suburban and rural areas. And a lot of dirty industrial areas, both currently in use as well as brownfields.

(And for the record, I have to admit I'm kind of shocked and a little depressed that anyone here questions that humans are causing climate change. Although I guess I shouldn't be. Sigh.)

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Comment from ruadh on 30 June 2017 at 22:44

Yeah man made climate change, it's a hoax and a bilk right? Think about it, the international scientific community.. what do they know? Next weeks 'controversial' topic for discussion, did the moon landing actually happen?

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Comment from trabantemnaksiezyc on 1 July 2017 at 09:05

I sign under the words of No Way. Climat change is a joke. At least if we are talking about man-made climate change. And whoever started this belief that people are causing global warming is doing great harm to the global economy, ecological regulations are destroying whole industry sectors. @ruadh: no-one disputes the fact that the moon landing happened.

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Comment from Black Baron on 1 July 2017 at 09:19

Climate change exists just as the Earth moves around the Sun. Since it is a scientifically proven fact, everything else is personal opinion that has no place today. Anyway, do not bring populism to OGF. I do not think it's an issue to keep talking about. Those of us who want to create a better world in OGF and try ideas have a right to do so. Similarly, those who believe that the present economy is above natural rights and the future of our children also have the right to maintain their ideas. Given that this debate is not going to convince each other and that, fortunately, those of us who believe in climate change are the majority in the real world, I think that it should be closed already and dedicate ourselves to mapping, which is, after all, the Purpose of OGF.

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Comment from trabantemnaksiezyc on 1 July 2017 at 10:22

@ruadh: no-one HERE disputes the fact that the moon landing happened. Should have been more precise.

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Comment from ruadh on 1 July 2017 at 10:47

@ trabantemnaksiezyc, yes because denying that the moon landings didn't happen would be a joke, right?

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Comment from Thunderbird on 1 July 2017 at 17:12

I will not discuss the topic of climate change on earth since it is unrelated to OGF and very divisive.

As far as my country, Jefferson is concerned, there are few bike paths as the culture is to travel by car. Patriot City has two major bike paths, one long one going south along the Matchaponix river and another short one east of downtown along the river's east branch.

Aside from that, taxpayers mostly stand against building new bike lanes. As a result of that and low public transportation ridership, there is quite a lot of congestion on the city's roads. The north side of the city as well as the northern suburbs have a fair amount of pollution.

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Comment from zhenkang on 2 July 2017 at 14:21

In Singapore (the real country) has cycling routes- and I thought of modeling it into Singkangia, after i have build more towns to connect and everything. I thought of Singkangia not just be reliant on cars but also bicycles, like in China.

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In Singapore there is also something called 'bike sharing' or more like a station-less bike sharing platform for bicycles, so anyone can pick a bike. One such thing that works on this system is 'obike'. Wonder is there also such a system in theOGF world. Hmmmm...

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Comment from skquinn on 2 July 2017 at 21:46

I've added quite a few cycleways and bicycle-only roads in Rhododactylia, both around Frogtown and elsewhere. On a related note, quite a few transit centers exist around Frogtown but I have not added the routes yet, partly because I'm not sure what direction the rest of the road network around the city is going to take.

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Comment from clik on 3 July 2017 at 14:05

Even though the car use is limited by very high oil prices and tolls in city centers, the cycling culture is not very developped out of centers, partly because of the extreme summer heat. However some cities (Alnisi, Krisoaral, Tilia) show an exponential development of bicycle use thanks to rental systems and the construction of bicycle trails. It is possible to cycle on all roads/streets except highways.

Eganian people prefer walking and public transportation. There are only two metro lines in the country but more than 20 tramway networks. The past decade was characterized by the renewal of most of the traway networks and the addition of new lines to existing networks. There are also policies to make all of the city centers carfree, to tackle pollution but also for practical reasons (the streets are too narrow and there are not enough car parks).

The use of bicycles should increase nationwide with the implementation of greenways in the suburbs.

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