New City

Posted by SuperSquidoodly on 14 July 2017 in English (English)

I have created a new city called Ore City. It is located near Ombo in Commonia. It's the Island in the River

Comment from ilikemaps on 14 July 2017 at 10:10

Is this actually it. I hope you improve massively in a week before you inevitably claim a country.

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Comment from Toadwart on 14 July 2017 at 10:13

Ahh, finally someone built a city, we hadn't had one in a decade or so. What a pity you didn't tell us where it is. Unfortunately the server suffers a massive overload now from every user searching Commonia for our latest masterpiece.

But the effort to find it is worth it. Be impressed by the bidirectional single lane motorway loop with level junctions and railway crossings serving the properties around the city. None of these buildings has any single 90° angle at all.

Also to mention, but not known who to be merited for, is the up and downstream flowing river around the city, which meets another river a few km west in a classical three-way-junction. I think we should make that level-free, with a fly-over for the left-turning southbound water.

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Comment from Marcello on 14 July 2017 at 11:51

@ Supersquidetc.

On behalf of the civilised part of this community: my apologies for the above. I think it is bitterly impolite to launch such a load of sarcasm to a first-time mapper and poster.

Your mapping, small as it is, does leave a bit to be improved. I would kindly advise you to read the FAQ - in the top line - and to compare your efforts, both with mapping in OpenGeoFiction itself as with mapping on OpenStreetMap, so you can see how advanced users work. Main beginner problems: scaling, scaling and scaling (serious) and actually a lack of a vision: what would you like to map for a start ? A small town is already a pretty big excersize; keep it modest in the beginnings.

Oh, and please don't overflow the User's Diary with questions. It is a badly mis-named site, which really should be sparingly used. This is what caused some of the language above, I fear.

happy mapping !

Marcello (who once was a newbie, also - like (almost) everyone.)

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Comment from MrMiyagi on 14 July 2017 at 12:48

I'm with Marcello. The snark is really unappealing and is corrosive to a community. There aren't many of us map fanatics in this world, so let's be encouraging to the few who are interested in this.

Go ahead and map whatever you like in Commonia, a small town is just fine, and as Marcello mentions, read up on the FAQ and even go to Open Street Map's Wiki (great place to learn about things like tags).

Best advice: leave the coastlines alone for the moment (seriously), until you read up on how it works and are absolutely sure you understand how altering coastline works. See, if you get it wrong, everyone's countries across the entire continent are flooded :D

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Comment from Toadwart on 14 July 2017 at 13:40

Yes, it was harsh. Yes, many might feel insulted. And yes, it causes frustration to many more.

But I just felt frustrated. Especially by the lack of substantial information in the post. It does not say why we should have a look. What reactions are expected?

Was is supposed as a "Hello I'm here" welcome-post? Then just label it so. If it is a "I found the editor, drew a few lines and need some help", then name it so.

This is just one more post in a series of low-relevance-"Look what I've done"-posts. Every of these posts raises my level of discomfort a tiny little bit. And on some days, when the general level of discomfort is high for other reasons, the little discomfort barrel overspills and dumps its discomfort at the next available situation...

This post does not include sarcasm. Sorry for having people offended. I agree for critisising me on that. But I am still frustrated about the low relevance of some posts.

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Comment from Marcello on 14 July 2017 at 13:49

Point taken.

But in your anger - which was justified as such, but just pointed to an innocent beginner - you also mentioned the root cause: 'User Diaries' is a most unfortunate name, and there is indeed no forum where new users can introduce themselves and / or ask beginners' questions. And that's why they end up here - alas.

Is there an intelligent solution for this ?

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Comment from No Way on 14 July 2017 at 14:00

And now Commonia is flooded.

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Comment from No Way on 14 July 2017 at 14:02

I would think a town like that with the river flows would be prone to flooding. I would not want to invest in property on that flood plain.

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Comment from wangi on 14 July 2017 at 15:39

"Is there an intelligent solution for this ?"

It takes no time to ignore a post.

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Comment from Marcello on 14 July 2017 at 18:11

No, That's far from an intelligent solution - though it's easy and fast allright.

What I meant:

IF we have a sudden influx of beginners and IF it seems they need a place to announce themselves and a place to ask questions we better investigate whether we can accommodate:

  • A 'Hello, I'm a new mapper here' forum

  • A forum for short questions.

That would both support new users and stop polluting other spaces.

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Comment from wangi on 14 July 2017 at 19:41

I was serious - ignoring is often the best approach. I really don't get the importance you seem to be pegging on the user diaries. It is the only channel for new users to talk to anyone. If some are over exuberant than a friendly reply normally works; a PM even better to mentor them along. And if it goes too far then the administrators do intervene. But at no point is anyone compelled to reply or even read the threads - "if you have nothing good to say remain silent". Plus you can also voluntarily man the recent changes feed and revert / help new editors as they make their first - often wrong - steps.

Really, the place for worthwhile collaborative discussions which can be indexed and returned to in the future is the Wiki. Some of the admins have even sandboxed some ideas for noticeboards / forums using the Wiki.

There seems to be an relentless urge to chuck another technical software solution (e.g. forum software in this case; chat apps in others) - that just makes the project higher maintenance and more of a chore for the admins.

If the admins want our suggestions then i'm sure they'll ask. I think if there are specific ideas then it is often best to PM admin directly - because what you'll find is they have already discussed many on their own email list.

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Comment from dryerlint on 14 July 2017 at 20:06

I'm a newbie too, but I agree with Marcello... no need to unload the sarcasm on someone who has obviously just started using the website. I think recent misuse of the User Diaries (not by the OP, but by others) left this community a little on-edge :)

That being said, yeah, there's plenty of room for improvement. Read the Wiki guides, look at real-world OSM maps for inspiration, and maybe even practice offline. Generally, I think nobody will care what you build in Commonia as long as you keep it small-scale - it's practically a sandbox territory. However, there will be a higher standard of quality once you claim an actual nation, so hold off on that until you feel that you are skilled enough (personally I probably claimed a nation too early...) Oh, and as others have said, don't mess with the coastlines just yet, they are fragile and can mess up an entire continent. Consider making lake/river coastlines for practice.

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Comment from zhenkang on 15 July 2017 at 03:33

Please, on behalf of the OGF Community, please continue mapping and honning your skills in the city before requesting a territory.

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