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Posted by William on 11 October 2017 in English (English)

Dear OGF Mappers,

if there is someone who has the talent in designing roads and streets: i need help.

I'm trying to design this complicated intersection, but I'm not talented for this. (you can see it better in JOSM).

That is why I invite all those who are interested and competent to offer me their solutions.

This part of my city was built by the end of the 19 century so, the intersection should be designed from that perspective.

As a reward I offer:

1.To anyone who suggests something seriously: One street or park in the city named after them or someone from their OGF history.

2.To the winner of the competition: or

*mentioned square (crossroads) named after them or someone from their OGF history; or

*Avenue north of the square named after them or someone from their OGF history; or

*If you like something of buildings that I designed; I can make something similar in your country.

I hope there will be at least one offer. ;)

W

Location: Lombre, Norfield, Montran

Comment from Toadwart on 11 October 2017 at 13:58

I need more information.

  • What is the purpose of the 3 parallel streets in the north?
  • JOSM shows 3 parallel lines for all junction roads, do they have a meaning?
  • to leave such a big space empty for a junction is unusual, thinking of 19th century traffic. There should be some stuff in the center. A monument maybe. Or was the space vacated later for a bigger junction.
  • should it be a one-way system? optimized for any specfic relation? level free where necessary?
  • any more streets than those shown?
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Comment from William on 11 October 2017 at 14:48

*3 parallel lines in the north were tree boulevards transformed in avenues and wide sidewalks. They should be extended up to the main road, already drawn.

*The site is reserved for a big mausoleum and park around it. The area was designed in the style of the 19th century: the strengthening of national consciousness, the romantic legends and monuments to boost national pride, etc. At the time of building the area was one of the main entrances to the city.

*I added one new street to the east, and that would be all.

*Regarding the organization of the traffic direction, it should be mostly one-way apart for the central avenue in the north.

Of course, all of it can be redesigned if you think it will be better. It is just important to preserve the basic purpose of the area.

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Comment from Litvania on 11 October 2017 at 15:35

I like to design infrastructure. I am enthusiastic to help, but I need to know if a paper drawing is okay for you as I am currently away from my computer for a while.

Cheers!

Michal

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Comment from William on 11 October 2017 at 15:41

Michal, it is okay. I wish you good luck. ;)

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Comment from Toadwart on 11 October 2017 at 15:44

  • So, the three boulevard roads are not used for traffic anymore? If they still are, consider banning traffic.
  • Only the four tertiary roads (SW, S, SE, NE) should be connected?
  • No connection between SW-S, SW-SE, S-SE?
  • (If no road at N, as assumed by me) The "roundabout" is for pedestrians, bicycles etc. but was in use decades ago?

How would you like me to try my luck? Upload it to the server or draw a sketch?

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Comment from William on 11 October 2017 at 16:06

*No, the northern avenue should be open to the car traffic because it is located on the main traffic stream south-north (to the west is the ocean and to the east hills - so the population is located on the south-north transverse) *I would like to have all three roads on the south interconnected. I would prefer no roundabout. That would mean some additional intersection more to the south to avoid the roundabout *There should be large vast area to the south of the monument which is supposed to be constructed on the top of this half roundabout.

Υou can upload it to the server.

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Comment from Toadwart on 11 October 2017 at 16:13

Ok, I think I have a clue now how to do it. About 1 or 2 hours.

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Comment from Toadwart on 11 October 2017 at 17:29

I uploaded my first attempt. I built two small tunnels to avoid the biggest conflicts of movement while trying to keep the circle intact for decoration. I haven't connected the three southern roads.

Let me now how this meets your expectations.

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Comment from William on 11 October 2017 at 17:53

It is very good, almost perfect. Thanks

To make it perfect (scilicet as I planned) there should be more space behind the monument, like here: https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/41.89044/12.49273

I marked it roughly

If it requires that certain roads are not connected it will not be a problem.

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Comment from tule00 on 11 October 2017 at 17:54

Did you map all of Norfield on your own, from scratch? If so, I'm shocked.

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Comment from Toadwart on 11 October 2017 at 18:11

I don't know where the monument is exactly and how much space around it is available.

If you could draw some buildings or other areas to show where space is not available, I can redraw it.

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Comment from Litvania on 11 October 2017 at 18:30

I tried, here is the proposal.

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Comment from William on 11 October 2017 at 19:26

#Tule00 90% of it is product of my mind. Some residential buildings on the south are mapped using satellite imagery of some generic residential area. Thanks for the remarks. I use to avoid uniformity. It's hard not to be uniform if you always have to map just from your head. That's why I asked for help for designing this intersection.

#Toadwart It would be perfect if you can incorporate Michal's (Litvania) proposal. This shape of the roundabout give some additional space behind monument.

#Michal Thanks! It'll help us a lot.

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Comment from Litvania on 11 October 2017 at 19:31

No problem, as I said I love doing this kind of stuff. I am happy my design serves as a basis. Good Luck!

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Comment from Toadwart on 11 October 2017 at 19:35

I'll try later tonight. Should there be two parallel two lane roads north?

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Comment from William on 11 October 2017 at 19:44

#Toadwart Thanks. Take your time. If you need it, you can use the central line instead.

#Michal Very nice. When we're done, I'll make sure you're rewarded. :)

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Comment from Toadwart on 11 October 2017 at 23:46

I did a second attempt. I kept the number of tunnels, which remained at two. The NE-SW and N-S relations don't conflict now. Most of the green space is free. I got rid of all traffic lights, by replacing them with two smaller roundabouts. Also, I included the SW-S-SE relations through the roundabouts. And - for your monumental dreams - the northern center pedestrian boulevard does not cross road traffic. Nevertheless, it might scare the shit out of the drivers.

Unfortunately I did not manage to include a section of left hand traffic. Anyway, we haven't used our full potential yet. Maybe some tram lines or bus lanes could be included.

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Comment from William on 12 October 2017 at 04:47

Thanks a lot! This should be perfect solution.

But we'll wait a bit, before we declare the winner of the contest. There may be additional ideas or corrections.

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Comment from compdude on 12 October 2017 at 15:37

The double roundabouts there could probably be combined into one big roundabout.

I like how Norfield is turning out so far. Also, what happened to Anderton? Did you decide to start over with that city? Is there still going to be a city there?

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Comment from William on 12 October 2017 at 16:55

#compdude Thanks for the advice. I prefer to keep two smaller ones than to create another "center". Anderton was my first city with a lot of beginners' mistakes. So it will be rebuilt in the same place.

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Comment from compdude on 12 October 2017 at 17:43

Well, the double roundabouts are okay. Maybe it could imply that this is a more modern configuration for this intersection. Like, it could have originally been a giant circle that went around the monument, but traffic issues resulted in it being reconfigured to its present state.

Anyway, looking forward to seeing how Norfield and the new Anderton end up looking. You really have a good handle on designing European styled cities, and I'm definitely getting a lot of inspiration from you. I'm an American, and I decided to make my country have more of a British style to it, so this is a particular challenge for me. (I'm eventually hoping to have an American style country in the new continents when those become available. At that point, I'll scan the paper maps I've drawn over the years, and incorporate them in that country.)

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Comment from wangi on 13 October 2017 at 01:08

Really can't see how overpasses or underpasses can realistically be part of the solution here. Both from an urban realm perspective, but also from realities of construction - gradients and all the real life stuff!

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Comment from wangi on 13 October 2017 at 01:11

It's also pretty impossible to imagine this, without the constraints of the existing street plan and buildings surrounding.

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Comment from William on 13 October 2017 at 05:55

#wangi Thanks for the remarks. Any propositions?

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Comment from Ūdilugbulgidħū on 13 October 2017 at 07:16

You don't need the underpasses. The southern one, remove it and you can just use the roundabout. The north east one, just add another roundabout.

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Comment from Litvania on 13 October 2017 at 09:52

Yeah, the underpasses are unecessary imo. Just make it a giant roundabout with ramps to the radiating roads.

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Comment from William on 13 October 2017 at 12:28

#Ūdilugbulgidħū #Litvania As I said, i have not the talent for the road design. So, please, one of you, make the redesign you proposed, but leave the present design drawn in JOSM, just remove tags.

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