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State Emblem for Agarderia

Posted by Yuanls on 11 August 2017 in English (English)

During a lull in my mapping work, I've redesigned the state emblem of Agarderia during the communist period (1946-1985). Although it is better than the old emblem, it still looks a bit dodgy, although I can't put my finger on exactly what the problem is. Does anybody have any ideas?

Comment from zhenkang on 12 August 2017 at 00:27

It looks alot better than the previous one. I think the sides are not so joined up together.

Maybe you could look at North Korea's emblem to spot the difference.

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Comment from NKgov on 12 August 2017 at 01:07

Hello, Yuanls. First of all, your emblem looks great!

Here are some of my thoughts:

  • The ratio: most of the emblems of the Soviet Republics are narrow. The exceptions are the rounded ones (Georgia, Armenia and Tajik SSRs and the Transcaucasian SFSR). Yours seems to be a bit wide to me :)

  • The font. Consider not using shadows and/or using a font without many 'details', like Candara, Century Gothic... I don't know much about fonts, tho...

  • Vectorise your emblem, it will look more 'professional'.

Cheers

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Comment from Luciano on 12 August 2017 at 01:42

In terms of symbolism, my feeling is that classic communist iconography would not have included what very much appears to be a Christic cross in the center of such an emblem. It creates a kind of ideological dissonance - but I'm not familiar with Agarderian history (I don't really pay attention to the wiki these days, since it's all so overwikified vis-a-vis the map, myself included). Classic communist iconography was if anything explicitly anti-religious. Thus a hammer smashing a cross might be more apropos, if the church was viewed as historically oppressive.

Perhaps you have an "alternate history" version, with a Christian communism (cf real-world liberation theology movements in Latin America)? Or perhaps the cross has some secular meaning in Agarderian culture?

Anyway this comment applies even moreso to the Agarderian flag. It really looks like a late-medieval "knights of X" flag (Which often evolved into the many crosses in modern European flags).

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Comment from zhenkang on 12 August 2017 at 12:00

@Luciano I think the 'cross' has.no relation to the christian cross. the cross look more like the switzerland's one with more stuff. You can.look into Yuanls' sandbox about the democratic people republic.of Agarderia.

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Comment from Luciano on 12 August 2017 at 12:26

@zhenkang - it might be true that Yuanls intends no Christian symbolism, but such symbolism is inevitable. Crosses mean "Christianity" whether we want them to or not, because of history. It's the same as how, because of Nazism, swastikas always end up looking dodgy to us, even when they're not meant to be - as in their use for Buddhist temples here in Korea.

It is worth pointing out that the Swiss Cross, does, in fact, have a Christian origin too - the right to show the "white cross" was granted by the Holy Roman Emperor to Canton Schwyz in the 13th century, after Schwyz supported the Empire in some war. Throughout the middle ages, crosses were used on flags and coats of arms to indicate allegiance with Christiandom, dating from the era of Constantine, probably, but popularized during the period of the Muslim invasions of Europe and the subsequent crusades. That's how most European countries ended up with crosses on their flags. Then during the enlightenment, crosses fell into disfavor, with countries moving toward abstract bands of color (e.g. Tricolors, etc.).

As I said, there is nothing wrong with proposing an alternate history where the cross means something else. But Yuanls said it still looked "dodgy" and said he couldn't identify why. So, personally, I think it looks "dodgy" because such Christian symbolism, whether intentional or not, is dissonant with socialist symbolism. That was my only reason for commenting.

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Comment from Yuanls on 12 August 2017 at 15:06

@zhenkang

As a matter of fact, I did compare my seal to the seals of other communist and former communist countries. The mountains were inspired by Romania and the rays of red by North Korea.

@NKgov

I see what you mean when you say it is wide. I will try to redesign it to make it more ellipsoid if a redesign is needed in the future. Thanks for pointing out the font issue, I didn't notice that there was a shadow on it. I'll correct that once I find a tool to curve text. I shall also try to vectorise it after I finish it entirely.

@Luciano

You were right to say it was a secular symbol, a symbol that depicts a stylised version of a flower. I did make a separate flag for the Agardirian Provisional Government, which shows a more natural version of this symbol. I might just use that for the seal instead. Also, thanks for pointing out the Christian origin, as it never occurred to me. It help to explain why the symbol is a cross. I have assumed Agarderia is Christian purely based on its neighbours of Karamsk, which is Polish, and Darcodia, which is home to Peritan City.

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