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Unity in Diversity - the UAC (Ulethan Alliance for Culture)

Posted by stjur on 11 February 2017 in Romanian (Română)

Dear mappers,

As central and western Ulethan states have no political, economical and cultural alliance they can be part of (EUOIA is for eastern Uletha only, the Uletarephian Union is inactive and very limited, the Southern Uletha Economic Cooperation Council is, as the name says, only destined for southern Ulethan states...), I thought it would be a pretty good idea to create an alliance for states in the entire continent of Uletha, the Ulethan Alliance, ruled from Gobras City and the other five founding countries' capitals. What do you think about it?

Sure, I know, it sounds a little superfluous, but I think it is a good way to get to know other active mappers in Uletha, maybe to collaborate with them, to create institutions and organizations on continental level (like the "Ulethan Capital of Culture") and to strengthen relations between countries.

If you're interested in the UA, you can even be one of the 6 founding members of the organization :)) Just write it down below!

More information about UA here.

Comment from Aces California on 11 February 2017 at 20:37

I'd love to join, but I think you'll need to get your history in key with the Capital of Culture, which has been going on since 1995 xD So I would imagine maybe a founding in the 1980s. I doubt in that case that Tierajas-Verdes will be a founding member, but we can definitely be a recent member. Beside being member of the Union of the Liberan Peninsula, the Southern Uletha Economic Cooperation Council and the Commonwealth of Castilophone Countries ^^'

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Comment from stjur on 11 February 2017 at 20:47

Oh, I didn't even think about this thing with the years :)) I am going to change the founding date of the UA to 1980. And I don't see why the Tierajas-Verdes shouldn't be founding members, we'll see what the others think.

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Comment from Aces California on 11 February 2017 at 20:59

Well, if it did found it, then it couldn't have stayed in for long as after the 1983 coup, the country became isolationist as it fell into the Grand Verdese War. Peace wouldn't be achieved until 1994, when the Union of the Liberan Peninsula stepped in :P So it would make further sense that Tierajas-Verdes was not a member until after 1994 when the country started to look further out multilaterally than it had in it's past.

Hope you do understand though ^^

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Comment from stjur on 11 February 2017 at 21:05

Well, if that's the case, it could be a little hard indeed to be a founding member. Anyway, you are now officially the third member of UA, check it out! We'll discuss later about the years every country entered the alliance.

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Comment from Aces California on 11 February 2017 at 21:15

No problem Stjur ^^ I have a range in mind anyway :) We can discuss other aspects of the membership later though indeed.

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Comment from Litvania on 11 February 2017 at 22:05

I would be surely interested! I dont know about the founding membership though. Litvania has never been in any sort of war or conflict that caused major damage to the country, and we have been in Peace since 1245, when the Great Loravian War happened, finally unifying the two major principalities of Litra and Loravia.

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Comment from stjur on 11 February 2017 at 22:09

Wars in older days are really no problem, it would have been a problem if Litvania was in a war since 1980, when the UA was founded, but as long as it wasn't, Litvania can be for sure a founding member.

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Comment from stjur on 11 February 2017 at 22:20

You're added to the UA founding members. Please don't forget to write on the wiki page the name of the Ulethan Alliance in Litvanian (in the infobox)

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Comment from eklas on 11 February 2017 at 22:42

I have mixed feelings about this.

I think the founding countries should be close to each other if possible, and (no offence) relevant. Have you ever heard of a pact between for example Latvia, Turkey, India, the Netherlands, Mongolia and Kazakhstan? I don't think so, yet that's what the founder countries' list starts to feel like.

I also feel like Uletha is an area too large to be covered by a single organization. In my opinion, more smaller alliances cooperating with each other would work more effectively.

I truly don't want Drabantia to be a founding member because it's far away from Gobrassanya and not a big player on the field of world politics and/or economy. But if this idea succeeds, then it will surely join.

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Comment from isleño on 11 February 2017 at 22:47

What makes me uneasy about this idea is that it intrudes on the functions of the regional organizations that people have already set up in different parts of Uletha.

Rather than creating an organization that duplicates those same functions, I'd encourage this effort to refocus on some other specialized function... Maybe cultural? "Ulethan Cultural Alliance" or something? That would keep it separate from the political/economic organizations and give it a clear mission of its own: promoting the "Ulethan Capital of Culture," advocating for cultural preservation, encouraging intercultural exchange, etc.

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Comment from stjur on 11 February 2017 at 22:51

@eklas Everyone is able to judge by himself if his country has what it needs to be a founding member. And about the differences in Uletha, we don't really have Kazakh, Mongol and Indian mappers, most of our mappers are Europeans or Americans and their cultures don't differ that much.

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Comment from Luziyca on 11 February 2017 at 23:04

Mahikan can be a founding member, but I imagine that it would have been suspended since the mid-1990s due to its apartheid policies against the indigenous Cree.

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Comment from stjur on 11 February 2017 at 23:05

@isleño I agree with your point, I have actually thought about this, but I think a cultural alliance is not possible without being also political and economical. In a real alliance (as NATO or EU in real-world), countries aren't entering for cultural exchanges, but mainly for international trade and military protection. They give something to obtain something else. Without this order, a stable alliance can't be founded.

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Comment from stjur on 11 February 2017 at 23:23

@eklas I made Drabantia member of UA @Luziyca I will write about excluded members soon, I will keep Mahikan in mind

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Comment from Aces California on 11 February 2017 at 23:33

I mean...you could have a Culturally focused organization that is away from politics. Look at stuff like the International Olympic Committee, or the European Broadcasting Association, or UNESCO. I for one say it will be best to have it a Cultural Organization to promote both the Capital of Culture Programme AND I can get behind the idea of a World Heritage Site sort of Programme based in Uletha.

I too have reservations about how large this will be with the WHOLE of Uletha in the count. I do think smaller groups work out best, which is why we have them to begin with.

I for one can be 110% behind a Uletha World Heritage Site Programme, and already have a few things mapped or planned to be mapped that can be submitted. If you'd like to work together on that list. ^^

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Comment from stjur on 11 February 2017 at 23:39

And if I changed UA to a "Ulethan Alliance of Culture", would it be OK by you if it covered the whole Ulethan continent?

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Comment from Aces California on 11 February 2017 at 23:44

I'd be fine by it then, I mean remember, the European Broadcasting Association (Behind Eurovision and other multi-national culture events) have Australian, Chinese, even Khazakstani membership :P I think if it sticks to one subject, like Culture, it can be a bit more..."loose" with size. But yeah keep it to the whole of Uletha, maybe 80% ;)

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Comment from Aces California on 11 February 2017 at 23:46

Also remember, you said in your first post this was to give something for Central and Western Uletha to join, maybe restrict it to Central and Western Uletha and allow a few Eastern Uletha members to join, like the Australias and Azerbaijans of the group ;)

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Comment from stjur on 11 February 2017 at 23:54

Well, as long as those countries are already members of another alliance, they're less likely to join ours. I am going to change the UA to UAC (Ulethan Alliance for Culture) and I love the idea of an "Uletha World Heritage Site Programme", I also already have some very cultural mappings.

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Comment from Aces California on 11 February 2017 at 23:56

Well it's about availability Stjur, the UAC is the only organization that I know that offers Cultural Collaboration instead of Economic or Political. They will come because of the market for it.

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Comment from isleño on 12 February 2017 at 02:19

If you feel that the word "Alliance" is too strong for a purely cultural organization, you could call it "Ulethan Council of Culture" or something. But I think Alliance is fine too... an alliance doesn't need to be a military/political/economic alliance. Whatever you think sounds best.

(Be careful, though, about implying that the cultures involved don't differ that much. They definitely do — Uletha is home to a number of distinctly "non-western" cultures.)

As for World Heritage sites, we do have a parallel at the global level (ANESCO's AN Cultural Monuments and AN Natural Monuments) so maybe the Ulethan level (run by UAC) could be more open to submissions, allowing people to add whatever they want... so that might be nice. Then there's the "Ulethan City of Culture" program, Ulethan cultural exchanges, events, performances, festivals, fairs, promotions, educational programs, preservation advocacy, etc. Maybe a "Cultural Masterpieces of Uletha" program to highlight works of art, music, literature, drama, etc. This could be a very busy organization!

On a side note — I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but there doesn't seem to be any political/economic organization for north-central Uletha (like, from Suria northward) so countries in the region of Mahikan, Drabantia, Litvania, etc, may want to organize something in that area.

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Comment from Alessa on 12 February 2017 at 06:01

Now this appeals to me. Count Mauretia in!

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Comment from stjur on 12 February 2017 at 07:35

@isleño About the name, I've seen examples of alliances for culture in the real world like the European Alliance for Culture, the BC Alliance for Arts + Culture, even UNESCO's Alliance for Cultural Diversity.

About the AN World Heritage, I would like to integrate it in the UAC World Heritage list, because UAC is subordinated to AN anyway (the Tarephian and Archantan monuments could be maybe protected by UAC). There are surely going to be also other cultural institutions ruled by UAC like "Cultural Masterpieces of Uletha" in the future.

There actually is no political and economical for north-central-west Uletha, this is why I initial created UA.

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Comment from stjur on 12 February 2017 at 07:40

@Alessa I'd love Mauretia to be a founding member, what do you say?

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Comment from Litvania on 12 February 2017 at 10:48

@isleño What is our region normally referred to as? I kinda like the idea of some sort of organization there.

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Comment from Sarepava on 12 February 2017 at 12:14

I mean, there is the KAMDIV economic area in the middle of Uletha, which is an open border and free trade zone, which other countries are welcome to join. I would imagine that Karolia would definitely want to get involved in cultural organisations, we pride ourselves on our music, folk art and heritage.

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Comment from eklas on 12 February 2017 at 13:29

Can Drabantia join KAMDIV? There's only Escadia between the country and the KAMDIV area.

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Comment from ante44 on 12 February 2017 at 13:34

Sounds good. Mallyore is in.

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Comment from stjur on 12 February 2017 at 13:37

@ante44 In where, the Ulethan Alliance for Culture or "KAMDIV"? Looks like the discussion thread has jumped to something else

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Comment from ante44 on 12 February 2017 at 13:44

@stjur, the Ulethan Alliance for Culture.

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Comment from Alessa on 12 February 2017 at 13:50

@stjur Sure, Mauretia could be a founding member. We're a little further afield than everyone else, but I'd like to think its cultural heritage and preservation means something outside eastern Uletha.

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Comment from stjur on 12 February 2017 at 13:57

@ante44 You're in, please add the name of the "Ulethan Alliance for Culture" in Mallyorian in the infobox of the wiki page.

@Alessa Thanks! The UAC should have been created by nations in the entire Uletha who respect their and the others' cultures.

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Comment from Myrcia on 12 February 2017 at 15:51

Myrcia would like to join but not as a founding member. Around 2000 would be good, that's when Myrcia really opened its doors to the world.

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Comment from stjur on 12 February 2017 at 16:00

You're in! We will add and discuss about the entry dates later.

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Comment from Kalh79 on 12 February 2017 at 16:16

Castellan would like to be part of the alliance, being a founding member because it would represent the interests of the Castellanese culture that is expanded by the continent of Uletha. What do you think?

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Comment from stjur on 12 February 2017 at 16:24

Sure, I think Castellán would be a great founding member. We're going to add the reasons why every country entered the alliance later, so keep it in mind!

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Comment from verner5 on 12 February 2017 at 17:32

Costa de Oro would love to be a member of the Ulethan Alliance for Culture. We could also be founding members because we only became independent form Castellán in 1991, or else we could have joined right after.

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Comment from verner5 on 12 February 2017 at 17:41

Sorry about the previous comment, what I meant was that we could be founding members under Castellán

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Comment from stjur on 12 February 2017 at 17:47

Oh, no problem :) Well, if Costa de Oro got independent from Castellán in 1991, it can't really be a founding member, because the state of Castellán has founded UAC, not the entire territory of Castellán. But I'm glad to add Costa de Oro to the UAC.

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Comment from An egg trying to draw a map on 12 February 2017 at 20:43

I'd join but I think I should focus on mapping more as i just started my country.

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Comment from stjur on 12 February 2017 at 20:51

That's perfect! Everyone should focus mainly on the mapping, not on the organization stuff (my issue). The wiki's purpose is to explain and, maybe, also to promote the mappings.

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Comment from Portopolis on 13 February 2017 at 01:21

Well, It goes without saying that Lallemand and Hoppon would like to join. Lallemand is hovering between third world and first world (High developement in some regions, but ridiculously low int the rest of the country). Hoppon might be a medium sized world power. High population + the sheer size of Marie City ensures it plays the role of Malaysia, Thailand or Nigeria in it's region.

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Comment from stjur on 13 February 2017 at 06:17

I think it's not really important how well developed the countries are, since UAC is not anymore a political and economical alliance. It is important how much the regime of the country (or the owners) care about culture and internationality.

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Comment from Luziyca on 13 February 2017 at 15:21

Sod it. Mahikan will be in (albeit suspended).

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Comment from Ūdilugbulgidħū on 13 February 2017 at 22:59

Ūrątybara would like to join - from 2008. For cultural reasons, of course, not political. The country's owners care very much about culture and internationality.

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Comment from anakes on 14 February 2017 at 02:31

Balam-Utz also wants to be part of your multinational cultural group. Not as founders, at a later date than 1998. In addition, the Balamutz nation is a country of mixed culture between Castellan (European) and Mayanse (Native American), which is why Ek-Balam is also willing to be part of hosting a Ulethan Capital of Culture.

Gretings to everyone!!! :D

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Comment from Pawl on 14 February 2017 at 10:58

I should think Tircambry, Wesmandy and Cernou would have joined quite early on. Perhaps Tircambry in 1987 and Wesmandy and Cernou in 1988 (I'm assuming there's no lower size limit - Cernou has a population of only c.50,000).

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Comment from stjur on 14 February 2017 at 16:55

Your countries are in!

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Comment from Friedrich Kirchen on 15 February 2017 at 12:29

Really interested on making welstand-westrijk part of it!

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Comment from clik on 15 February 2017 at 13:57

Egani and Niscavo would like to join :)

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Comment from stjur on 15 February 2017 at 14:27

Welstand-Westrijk, Egani and Niscavo are in!

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Comment from Portopolis on 15 February 2017 at 15:20

Can Lallemand and Hoppon join?

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Comment from stjur on 15 February 2017 at 17:34

Lallemand entered, Hoppon needs the Template:Hoppon first.

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Comment from Demuth on 16 May 2017 at 09:10

I know I'm late to the game here but, Wiwaxia would like to be part as would Østermark!

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Comment from stjur on 16 May 2017 at 13:38

You're in!

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Comment from dono87 on 16 May 2017 at 19:34

Ataraxia would like to submit an application

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Comment from stjur on 16 May 2017 at 19:38

You're in too

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Comment from Katav on 22 May 2017 at 17:27

Very late here from Fressland. I'd like in.

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Comment from stjur on 22 May 2017 at 17:35

It's never too late. Fressland is in!

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Comment from jak on 30 May 2017 at 21:42

Hi, is it possible for Ispelia and Vartasimalia to join?

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Comment from stjur on 30 May 2017 at 23:08

You're in!

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Comment from jak on 31 May 2017 at 22:24

Thank you so much. Very happy to be part of the Alliance. Both my countries can contribute to the success of it. Ispelia's centre of culture and historical heritage is Ludino, a former federal state's capital. Is it possible to add the alternate name also in Ispelian (Italian) "Alleanza Uletana per la Cultura" ?

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Comment from stjur on 31 May 2017 at 22:32

Yes, the name can be added in every language spoken within the borders of the UAC (I just added Ispelian, it would be nice if the language had an own wiki article, so there are no redlinks)

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Comment from Stara Zagora on 14 June 2017 at 21:03

Sãikyel would like to join as well.

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Comment from stjur on 14 June 2017 at 21:30

Sãikyel is in!

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Comment from Stara Zagora on 18 June 2017 at 22:12

I see that the UAC still doesn't have a seat (as far as the wiki article tells me), is there going to be any discussion on where it could be?

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Comment from Stara Zagora on 18 June 2017 at 22:13

I'm sorry, I meant Ulethan Heritage Site****.

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Comment from stjur on 18 June 2017 at 22:25

The main seat of UAC is in Gobras City and the headquarters of organizations like UHS or UCC are going to be placed in the six founding countries, this is what we thought of

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Comment from Stara Zagora on 19 June 2017 at 01:50

My bad, I didn't know that.

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Comment from austinhuang on 25 August 2017 at 21:23

Can Esthyra (Former Reino de Paglobleclaca) join the alliance? Former capital Sevilla counts as heritage site (And it is already, look at these details).

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Comment from stjur on 26 August 2017 at 07:46

You're in

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Comment from austinhuang on 27 August 2017 at 21:22

Also should we have a headquarter location for UHS?

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Comment from Rasmus Rasmusson on 3 December 2017 at 16:32

Can Wyster join UAC? No need to backdate it; Wyster is happy to join first thing in 2018 :)

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Comment from stjur on 4 December 2017 at 19:20

Of course! I added Wyster already now in December as a future member, just in case I'll forget on January 1st :))

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