LemonKing has commented on the following diary entries

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My Beautiful Lady, You Will Rise Again ! :( 7 days ago

A terribly sad event. Makes you think of what is really important for us. Not everything can be measured in money.

However, this is just a building. Luckily, no lives were lost. Some restaurationist in Paris already commented: Worse things have happened in Paris recently.

Many sacred buildings have been damaged, for various reasons – and rebuilt – during history of man. This is not the first one nor the last one. "The things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal." (2 Cor 4:18)

Establishing a military alliance like NATO 9 days ago

As I understand it, the difference between OGF and role playing is the following: OGF users can construct all kinds of alliances between their countries for mapping-related purposes, but not alliances between users for the purpose of competing with other users. Users can own countries that are in war with each other and at the same time cooperate in all possible ways as mappers. OGF community is all about cooperation. We have a shared goal: realistic, contemporary alternative world map. All that we do here should serve this purpose, not any hidden roleplayish purposes.

Concerning Highway 11, Commonia. 14 days ago

The first city in my new country! 14 days ago

Not a bad start! Streets look quite realistic and you have mapped the waters first, good!

Some remarks:

  • Don't map buildings tight into roads. Consider the width of the road, leave at least a few metres between the road line and the building wall. Main streets with 4-6 lanes plus pedestrian tracks should have at least 50 m space between opposite buildings.

  • The term "national Park" usually refers to a nature reserve. If this is what you have in mind, tag leisure=nature_reserve in stead of leisure=park. In a city, however, one would expect a proper city park in stead, so perhaps you want to change the name.

Ogf+YouTube 16 days ago

There is no consensus that "we don't want that". Perhaps the majority of the loud ones think so, but that is far from "consensus". Personally, I would encourage to share your work in any legal media available.

Putting up a pseudo-official channel in the name of the OGF community is a completely different issue. That should not be done. If you share, share your work only.

The risk of course is that wide publicity could bring lots of newbies to OGF who start mapping wildly without knowing the rules and conventions. Especially if you provide a link to the original OGF location, it's good to emphasize that mapping in OGF is strictly regulated.

Administrative divisions 21 days ago

Experimenting with boundary relations is safe if you create a closed environment with no contact to coastlines or international boundaries. You could e.g. create a region in the middle of your country and divide it into municipalities to see how multiple level relations work.

Here's some tips to get started.

Administrative divisions 22 days ago

Realistic 24 days ago

Also, the grids look unrealistic, because you have lots of long, linear streets, none of which are parallel. To look realistic, at least some streets should be parallel, at least some streets non-linear and smoothly curving, at least some blocks rectangular. As for now, it looks obvious that the city is drawn quite fast, it has an artificial overall look.

My advice: take some time to patiently rework the grid and fine-tune some details. It is rewarding in the long run.

Motorways abound in newly formed countries. 29 days ago

I understand the fun with motorways. For people who love constructing complicated interjections, I takes a lot of patience to wait until everything else is mapped first.

This made me think: While some users are obviously lazy mapping natural features, others seem especially fond of it. Some new users might prefer a pre-mapped natural landscape so they could start directly mapping man-made features.

It wouldn't hurt to call out for volunteers to do some groundwork with rivers and mountains in your territory. It might lead to win-win-deals, where both parts can do more of what they most like. Some kind of mechanism for organizing this kind of collaboration might be good to have. Maybe even some of the green territories could be pre-mapped as an experiment, at least for coastline details.

Realistic Mapping about 1 month ago

This is second time this week a tutorial is requested in the diaries. Also, many users have recently started mapping their own territory. In attempt to do my best to help, I drafted this tutorial. It may help, or it may not. Perhaps I say things you don't want to hear, or perhaps I answer the wrong questions. This tutorial is about what I did – and what I wish I would have done. It is my path, it may not be yours.

As many have said, good mapping is about practice, but there is more to it. Practice requires patience and patience requires motivation. The initial question is: what motivates you in mapping? Unless this is answered, it is hard to know how to help. Some are motivated by rough generalizations, others by complex details. Some try to create visually satisfactory mapping as fast as possible, others like big projects that may look drafty for a long time. For example, Therefore, the most fruitful way of tutoring is a to maintain an active, respectful dialog between users. Hearing about several different approaches may help you find the one that works for you.

OGF tutorials for all users to learn about how to do stuff on ogf about 1 month ago

A video tutorial could give valuable information about the mapping process that is difficult to transmit through writing and still pictures: The order of doing things, how to combine use of tools and free-hand drawing etc. But these would only reflect the habits of an individual mapper. The result matters, not the way to get there. I, for example, make seldom drafts offline and I use iD and JOSM alternately in a way that I wouldn't necessarily recommend to others but it's something that I'm used to. Capturing my mapping process on video uncensored would probably confuse more than help.

This said, some new tutorials on specific issues like relations would be good to have. Let's see if I have the time to put something together based on my experience so far.

"Exposed" about 1 month ago

I usually hesitate telling people about my weird hobbies (Geofiction and conlangs), but last year I wrote about OGF in my blog. The reception was very positive, some friends and colleagues were quite impressed. Somehow this hobby seems less weird and less self-centered in a community than alone offline, so I'm more comfortable talking about it nowadays.

City Development Support about 2 months ago

A city of 1 million + is an ambitious project that takes hundreds of hours of planning and mapping to make it realistic. Are you sure that is what you want to do?

My advice: Think chronologically. first create natural features that have existed before the city, like lakes and peaks. Then map older, separate settlements and let them slowly grow into one city. Finish motorway network only after most of the streets and landuse have been mapped,

Or just lower your expectations and create a smaller urbanity. Or join a non-finished project elsewhere.

I made some curves a bit smoother in the railway and coastline to make them look more realistic.

Happy mapping!

OGF Vatican and or Israel about 2 months ago

If, hypothetically, some kind of remotely realistic "Israel" would be created in OGF, it would have to be a community project, like purple area. For this, we would need (a) admin approval, (b) suitably many skilled mappers who are fairly familiar with Middle East history and who get along with each other, and (c) lack of massive opposition from the community. As much as I would like to see this happen (and help with it), I think it probably will never happen. It's more fun to concentrate in what works in OGF in stead of banging head against a wall.

How many inhabitants? about 2 months ago

To make it as simple as possible, I use this "radius method":

My "higher density" of 1000 people/ is only high in Nordic perspective; It applies to downtown areas in cities like Helsinki or Stockholm, but many bigger cities have large urban areas of 3000-10.000 people/ (these are the approximate figures for Panama City and New York respectively).

If Gilliarca has the density of Panama City and we approximate it as two circles with radius 3 km each, we end up with ~ 1,5 million inhabitants. Of course, this is a rough estimation based on the visual, without measuring different segments of the city separately.

Restarting the territory assignment process about 2 months ago

I would post a big [thumb up] if there was an emoji function here :)

¡My new city! 3 months ago

Very good looking details neatly in scale.

What do you mean, "Buildings from other parts of the world"? You haven't copied elements from real world or other mappers, have you? OGF is about being as original as possible without being unrealistic.

Suggestions: Add river bend details and draw riverbanks before expanding too much. Also add other natural features in the area. Work on semi-big scale with main roads and landuse for a while, then zoom in to add details area by area. There is not much to say about the city as a whole as long as only a few blocks have been mapped.

Happy mapping!

Thoughts about lost countries and countries with unknown status 3 months ago

I fully understand your concern, I have had similar thoughts in the past.

Some of us tend to think admin as a kind of moral authority who is expected to set up strict and consequent rules, and when rules are unclear or admin is silent, we hesitate to take action in fear of being banned forever. Experience begins to teach me away from this kind of thinking. OGF is first and foremost a community; Contributing is a merit even when rules are accidentally trespassed or opinions conflict. Doing the wrong things is often a lesser sin than expecting others to do things for you.

My examples:

  1. I have a "possible future collaborative territory" as northern neighbour of Bloregia with no idea of how and when it will be edited. Frustrating, but I don't let it hinder me from editing the border and vaguely describing its history in the wiki. I may have to change something in the future, but good work in not likely to be asked for deletion, more likely others will adjust.

    1. My two eastern neighbours were silent for months and contacting admin didn't do any good. But finally, one (Ismon10) became active again and the other was replaced by an active user (blgmtn) and now I have had some fruitful collaboration with both of them.

So be patient, learn to tolerate lack of information and meanwhile do what you possibly can to improve the OGF world.

Wiki is a mess anyway and will not be cleaned up any time soon, but it is still nice to have for sharing and for community building, if you just ignore the lost and inactive bits.

Happy mapping!

No time for OGF: What "future" for my countries? 3 months ago

Whatever you choose to do, I think you're doing the right thing putting family first. It will be your gain, not loss.

Why not combine some of the options you listed? Leave one country waiting for future development, turn another into a collaborative, give a third one to one or several trusted mappers, make the fourth one a blue country and open the fifth one for a new user to claim – for example?

Of course, If you give up or open up territories, you'll have to let go of parts of your vision and accept the fact that others map somewhat differently even when strict rules apply. But in a best case scenario, having other skilled mappers contribute may add to the realism of your territories; after all, no real world country is designed by a single individual, not even a single culture or tribe.

In any case, making a backup copy is a good idea, it makes it easier for you to let others continue some of your work, as your original vision won't be blocked out irreversibly.

As a Western Ulethan mapper, I'll wait curiously to hear what your desision will be and to see how it effects the future of our part of the OGF World.

Can I make a wiki page without owning a territory? 3 months ago

Users without a territory may contact admin for an account, it says here.