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Phoenix-New Master Plan

Posted by Lithium on 5 February 2020 in English (English)

Hi there everyone! As you all know a rushed attempt to fix the capital of Mecnya, Phoenix, was started just recently. Sadly the attempt resulted in good work being deleted in the name of progress, and no plan was set out. I have developed a plan for the city, and would like your opinions on it.

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^As you see here, the city center would be kept mostly intact, but ideas about needed things would be nice. I would like to take on the old city, based off of caso viejo in panama city.
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^Self Explanatory, we may need to delete some of the worst parts of the suburbs Also, Ideas about canal stuff are needed. Alt Text

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Please give feedback as this is very very rough. I hope that this works out for phoenix!

Lithium

Location: -24.770, 144.846

Comment from Lithium on 5 February 2020 at 19:33

Why are the images not working? They're essential. AAAGGGHHH

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Comment from Martinawa on 5 February 2020 at 20:02

Add the .png extension to the image links

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Comment from Lithium on 5 February 2020 at 20:45

Fixed, Thanks so much!

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Comment from yoyo21 on 5 February 2020 at 21:32

I think that almost all of the city's exterior mapping, with the odd, oversized grid, has to go.

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Comment from Lithium on 5 February 2020 at 21:42

Yeah, if we replaced it with neighborhood like panama city, it would be great, what do you think of the rest?

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Comment from wangi on 5 February 2020 at 23:35

Who are the recent editors, and have you sent them a pointer to this discussion? L

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Comment from Lithium on 6 February 2020 at 00:04

The users involved are:

Yoyo21

Martinawa

newnw

Mapping Expert

iiEarth

HilsonBergeman-Edited 3 months ago

AustinHuang-Not sure about this

Lithium

If I missed anyone, ALERT ME.I have sent messages to those involved.

thank you Lithium

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Comment from histor on 6 February 2020 at 00:36

By building the canal. I was the first autor in this area. So I take the freedom to delete some rails I draw years ago to give Phoenix a better chance to devellop. I think, most of the town can be deleted, but there are some old embassies direct at the river, which should survive.

What also should be deleted are the silly circles in Guntrum- who ever has drawn them.

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Comment from Lithium on 6 February 2020 at 01:00

Yeah sorry to have missed you histor, I would agree on the subject of Guntrum, after phoenix we could focus on Guntrum?

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Comment from wangi on 6 February 2020 at 01:24

As if Histor doesn't know, but declaring an interest in the Guntrum tangent. Focus on on one problem at a time.

If you look at detail at Guntrum you'll see an urban design with some modern filtered permeability concerns at the core.

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Comment from Lithium on 6 February 2020 at 01:56

Mapping expert and Martinawa have expressed to me that they are not interested in the project.

On the subject of Guntrum, as I said, definintely focus on Phoenix first, then Guntrum, if needed.

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Comment from austinhuang on 6 February 2020 at 02:40

Note: I never edited anything in Mecyna nor am I ever interested in it, but a lot of discussion is happening on the Discord server so I am relatively familiar with this matter.

With that said, since you asked for my opinion, here is my proposal. The "???" should be replaced by "historical district". This is just a rough plan on land uses, I am not planning to go into details.

Remember: C O N S E N S U S. Don't repeat the same mistake Mapping Expert made.

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Comment from newnw on 6 February 2020 at 03:03

i would honestly love to help. I think this will be better than the previous attempt, and also maybe we do it in segments, instead of deleting it all and remaking it. also, i think we should do a minor remake of the city center/capital, as its practically the same as the US national mall, and i think it would be nice to make it more unique

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Comment from newnw on 6 February 2020 at 03:16

also i think we should delete the airport in the first picture.

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Comment from DudeMap555 on 6 February 2020 at 03:42

please don't delete CentInn

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Comment from Lithium on 6 February 2020 at 11:46

@newnw We could have it so the city center is like a circle, with the buildings around the edges and a pool and monument in the center

@Austinhuang, Good plan, Wow! For the most part our plans seem to agree, and I do agree that having the cargo port further away would be better, so I think a combination of the two, using yours in general and mine when yours doesn't give detail, like for the north city center would be great. I do disagree on the historical center, because I've already redone my work on it so aside from that, we are good.

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Comment from iiEarth on 6 February 2020 at 17:21

@Lithium Old cities are usually not grids, or anything resembling a grid.

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Comment from iiEarth on 6 February 2020 at 17:23

There are some exceptions, but they are usually rectangles, the same size, and very dense.

Like here.

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Comment from Infrarrojo on 6 February 2020 at 22:51

While the "old town" that iiEarth shared is not really an old town and is actually a strict grid, Panama City's real old town, also known as Casco Viejo and founded in 1673, is a mixture of both orthogonalized grid and non-grid features. However, I do agree that more effort can and should be put into designing the old town before extreme detail is put into it.

To begin with, there are a wide variety of Latin American colonial-style old towns that differ depending on many factors- such as whether there was a city that preceded it, the date it was founded, the population of the city, and the colonial nation that founded it. Near Panama City, for example, is the Colombian city of Cartagena, founded much earlier in 1533. This old city retains its fortifications and it is obvious that the city within is planned, although it is not necessarily an orthogonalized grid. Around this time period (1519) but in the Caribbean, the city of Havana was constructed, which on the map today remains as an unorthogonalized and only slightly broken grid. The final example I'll mention here today is Recife, in Brazil, founded in 1537, also contains elements of an unorthogonalized grid as well as certain non-grid features.

So it is definitely okay to have an unorthogonalized grid, and whether or not you guys want to have fortifications or non-grid features is up to you guys. But I truly believe that at least this should be entirely a team effort, and everyone should be happy with the old city before it goes on to the detailing phase. However, there are more important historical details that this project needs to grapple with first, such as the founding date, nation, and primary real-world inspirations. I wish you all the best of luck in these efforts!

Best Wishes, Infrarrojo

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Comment from Lithium on 6 February 2020 at 23:59

I think that we should keep the grid, but pause work on the old city anyways, in order to, like infrarojo said focus on the historical details.

Here is my proposal

  1. Founding Date: 1568

  2. First Colony Established by (Spanish Culture-Based OGF country here) (south side) and by Ingerland? (North Side)

  3. Real World Inspirations are Panama City, Other old Latin American Cities, we should discuss.

Any other important details?

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