Luciano's Mapper's Challenge #11 - February, 2017 - Another day, but not another motorway

Posted by Luciano on 1 February 2017 in Korean (한국어)

Many times before, I and other mappers have observed the seemingly excessive popularity of motorways in our world. People seem to like to build them, and there's nothing wrong with that, but it's not always terribly realistic (who's paying for all these motorways?), and I have come to realize that drawing motorways ''first'', as a kind of "skeleton" for one's territory, is a fundamentally backwards approach to geofiction - in real life, motorways come closer to ''last'' than ''first'' - if they come at all.

So I had this idea. There are some major cities in the world that simply don't have motorways. I'm not talking about poor cities, either.

One favorite personal example is Winnipeg, in Canada ( - a city which I visited frequently during a certain period of my life, although I've never lived there.

The city has at least 500,000 residents, but the only motorway is the ring-road, and even that is not fully limited-access for much of its length. There is not single kilometer of limited access highway within that ring road.

Looking at the map, Warsaw, Poland ( is another interesting example. There appear to be several motorway "approaches" to the city (maybe only one?), but nothing to the center.

Vancouver, Canada ( also lacks any kind of motorway access to the core city, although they abound in the suburbs.

And Edinburgh, Scotland (, seems to well-developed suburban motorways, but nothing that enters the city proper.

San Francisco, California (, my "birth city", has the 80/280 complex south of Market, but the 1 and 101 never properly connect through the city, meaning that travel ''through'' the city is only possible on surface streets - a hassle I remember my parents coping with many times when I was quite young, as we went back and forth from Marin to Palo Alto. My earliest childhood memory is probably being stuck in traffic in a Volkswagen Beetle on Van Ness Avenue on a fog-shrouded morning.

Luciano's Mapper's Challenge #11 - February, 2017 - Another day, but not another motorway

This month's challenge is to plan and ''begin'' to build a city that, for whatever historical or political reasons, lacks motorways. Obviously, a single month, as we've learned, is not enough time to fully build a major city. But it's enough time to take the first steps.

I'll set it up as follows:

  • advanced: a major world city, 1000000+, with no motorways
  • medium: a large city, 500000+, with no motorways
  • small: a smaller city, 100000+, with no motorways

I think for this challenge for myself, I'll finally return to the Ardisphere. I have one major small city, Comala, Departamento de Páramos (the capital of the Departamento, which is in a very incomplete stage of development. Sufficiently incomplete that I never drew any motorways for it. I think I'll leave it that way.

Given that Comala is only a little over 100000 inhabitants, that means I'll be doing the ''small'' challenge.

To be clear, this challenge doesn't say "no motorways at all," rather, it says "no motorways to/through the center." Realistically, in any relatively prosperous country, suburbs will still contain some motorways, either radially (Warsaw), peripherally (San Francisco/Vancouver), or as a ring-road (Winnipeg).

Comment from Portopolis on 1 February 2017 at 03:00

No Motorway Challenge

This is a surprisingly easy challenge for me. I already have a city that meets the medium sized city criteria, Novograd-County City consolidation. I also have a few cities that are under the small city criteria that I can improve on Port Arenas(Wealthy Colonial Town), Tayewo Beach(Poor Exurb), Akinlere(Poor Exurb), Surulere(Lower income burb). I will try to build the streets at least for these small cities. I can also focus on smaller (100,000-700,000) historical cities in Hoppon (Joji City, Mamoto City and Ono City) but that would be putting to much work on my plate for just one month .

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Leowezy's Work ridiculously impressive especially when compared to what I did in his country.

My Work Mostly worked on buildings and experimented a little with the wall function in splitting up a building. Might be better to switch back to individual houses. Still want to add some amenities like another Hopponese Shrine and also detail the surrounding area of the shrine too.

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Comment from Alejandro24 on 1 February 2017 at 05:10

This challenge sounds great, I would like to be part of it.

What about a very small city with less than 10,000 residents? Can I participate with this?

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Comment from Ernestpcosby on 1 February 2017 at 05:27

I may be able to make Franklinsburgh and Lake Grander fit this description with some small changes and selective deletion. Franklinsburgh always seemed to have relatively iffy motorways and perhaps I can use that as an advantage.

As for Franklinsburgh itself, Unionway 4 (to become Unionway 2 as I finish remapping) may be shifted a bit north, and the others are mostly unnecessary.

Lake Grander might just retain a remnant of the southern loop stretch but that's about it.

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Comment from Ernestpcosby on 1 February 2017 at 06:13

I went ahead and prepared Reedsboro (a mostly unmapped city) to have a different system too. I don't think it qualifies for this since the motorways do reach the center in a couple spots, but I did transform a lot of the area to trunk roads that will act more as boulevards when the mapping is actually improved/done. I think it actually looks a lot better with less motorways- I can see the shape of a historic downtown shaping up

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Comment from Ernestpcosby on 1 February 2017 at 06:19

Franklinsburgh and Lake Grander look sort of crappy at the moment... I went through really quickly and tried to reroute/delete/downgrade a lot of roads, so a lot of the motorway junctions and such are left over. But that works though. I needed to remap the area anyway. I think I'm starting to see a grid develop for Franklinsburgh, but I may have to upgrade a couple roads to primary to work with the new motorway-less setup. U-2 will likely be almost the divider between Franklinsburgh and the suburbs. A lot more of the city will develop in between the newly shifted U-50 and the center part of the city that currently exists. Franklinsburgh will likely end up being another big transit city in Freedemia since there are no inner motorways.

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Comment from Ernestpcosby on 1 February 2017 at 06:30

Did a small amount of deletion with Trenchent and San Grande, but they also retained too many motorways to meet this challange

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Comment from Myrcia on 1 February 2017 at 08:51

Dunwic (and the whole of Myrcia) is already sans-motorways but this is a great challenge which I thoroughly support!

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Comment from zhenkang on 1 February 2017 at 08:56

Cities do not really have many motorways as cities are too packed to make way for motorways. This is my opinion, as when a city developes it is hard to create tunnels or bridges for motorways.

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Comment from ilikemaps on 1 February 2017 at 09:17

Adelaide also has very few freeways as there was a plan in the late 60s which would have built many freeways although it fell over one of the freeways alone needed the requisition of 3,000 properties and other faults in the plan as well. There are a few freeways today but most of them are recent upgrades of suburban roads

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Comment from wangi on 1 February 2017 at 10:22

Edinburgh escaped what happened to Glasgow, but there were plans for an inner city motorway ring and links from the west (M8) and east (A1) to meet it. If you know where to look you can still see some evidence today on the map (e.g. West Approach Road; The Jewel).

The A720 and A1 are actually "special roads" in UK legal terms, same as motorways. They're worth looking at too. Another of the common OGF sins is building loads of free flowing junctions. The A720 particularly is good for evidence of compromises in real-life: junctions without some slips; roundabout where there should be a flyover (mine workings)...

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Comment from tule00 on 1 February 2017 at 11:32

Well, in most European cities highways usually go to the edge of the city, and there's a ring road there, but highways rarely go to the actual city

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Comment from trabantemnaksiezyc on 1 February 2017 at 12:36

^^ Western european. In the central and eastern ring roads are a rare sight.

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Comment from Ernestpcosby on 1 February 2017 at 14:31

I will clarify- in Freedemia, motorways/national "interstates" are called "Unionways" and mapped as Motorways, while trunk roads/national non-freeway highways are automatically named "Motorways", but in mapping terms they're actually usually trunk roads.

It was originally based more off the American system than the European one, so Unionways are "interstates" and 'Motorways' are like U.S. Highways that have their long stretches at times but act more as trunk roads with some motorway like qualities. I suppose this can be a bit confusing considering the fact that "Motorways" are not tagged as motorways...

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Comment from kingfries on 1 February 2017 at 18:52

Would like to participate, although Pasalia is supposed to be quite suburban (endless suburbs, fastfood restaurants with drivethroughs, and loads and loads of land being reserved for cars.) So I'll pass this months challenge.

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Comment from Pawl on 2 February 2017 at 06:51

I could take a rest from Wesmandy and work on bringing Porthbrenin into the 21st century (it's currently at 1900), complete with a lack of motorway! I intend it to be served by a motorway to the north, but never envisaged the motorway going into the city centre.

Tircambry's (unfinished) capital, Caerarthen has three motorways radiating from outside the city, but none in the city itself.

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Comment from Yuanls on 2 February 2017 at 21:19

How would you define a motorway? I've currently mapped the highest level roads in Glaster as motorways, although these roads would not qualify as motorways in other countries, nor would they in the real world. Should I make an effort to downgrade them, or shall they remain like so?

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Comment from wangi on 2 February 2017 at 21:44

Tagging as motorway does mean the road has limited access, multiple segregated lanes etc. See and

If that's not that case look at tagging as trunk or primary instead. The difference between trunk, primary and secondary doesn't not necessarily imply a difference of quality, but only one of classification.

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Comment from No Way on 9 February 2017 at 00:51

Manchester, Reagan, Commonia has no motorways. There is a new bridge that is planned that will be a motorway but at the moment there are none.

I also have little motorway access in the Amalgamated City of Averymouth. That is a large geographic area wherein the referendum for a metropolitan government with the county failed. However, residents of Averymouth and Newtown decided to merge and annex large swaths of land in the county.

The residents of the former Newtown were already relying on some contracted city services with Averymouth and the Averymouth residents had to travel to Newtown to rely on certain county services. Now that the county town is Averymouth the county services center could be spread around.

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Comment from zhenkang on 16 January 2019 at 09:31

May be a bit late to this, but for the city of Kontroga, I aim not to have motorways cutting through the city at all. This is because even then what Antigoans own cars to drive to the city? Most will take the railway, but even then they need a permit to travel from one city to another.

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