IMPORTANT EDIT: Coastline in Vinnmark

Posted by adminero_us on 8 July 2016 in English (English)

Tomorrow I will start editing it again. I'm going to edit the coastline in Vinnmark so I will create two big gulfs in the east and west part of the country. It is going to affect Wesmandy and Isztianország, because they will have a bit more kilometres of coastline and they should enlarge their frontiers so they will own a part of the sea.

Comment from Pawl on 8 July 2016 at 19:29

Whoa! Could you please show us what you plan before you do it? Our coastline is part of our country, and we might not want it changed. Thanks.

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Comment from joschi81 on 9 July 2016 at 12:00

Hello! I agree to Pawl - and I already saw what you did. I think this is far too much! So I think there is no other solution for you than to change your gulf concept significantly.

As for Pawl, I think you better discuss the details with him. But as far as I can see, he did not prepare the northeastern border of Wesmandy to be a coastline. So you should leave a significant distance to his territory. As you can see, most of Wesmandy's eastern (and your western) border follows a large river ("River Meur"), actually the one that also passes through Varlonge as "Meure".

Also, the region around Monta and Colenford (west of the southern end of your current gulf proposal) has mountains of about 800-1000 meters, so having a gulf only 10 kilometers away does completely destroy the idea of the territory here.

So, unfortunately, your gulf does absolutely not fit into the territorial idea of eastern Wesmandy and north-eastern Kalm!!!

A for the border to Ísztianország, I have nothing against a (narrow!) gulf up to the city of Köln (which should be renamed, by the way). You could even enlarge this gulf a little bit (but not too much). But - please! - remove the large gulf you have drawn now.

The southern end of your gulf could perhaps be changed into a lake, but you would have to reduce the size. It would be a mountain lake resp. a lake "up in the hills".

Thanks for your understanding!

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Comment from Ūdilugbulgidħū on 9 July 2016 at 22:42

adminero_us - thanks for posting this. Its good to know plans of nearby countries, and I hope you don't mind me butting in. This edit doesn't really affect Ionadàlba - except maybe historically - but I have to say that although the concept of more sea access for Vinnmark (if that's the general idea) is ok, the location is just not right. Look at the detail of Pawl's mapping of the river system - the Meur - just over your border. Those tributaries and the way they're mapped are clearly indicating a wide, flattish area. Having the sea less than 10km away to the east means that this river just wouldn't make sense - it wouldn't have flowed that way. Pawl has spent time and effort mapping here - as has joschi81 further south. It would be hard to undo it, let alone redo it. An inlet of the sea - or even a wide navigable river with some lakes - up to the city of Köln would make much more sense, just as joschi81 says. There is much less to factor in in that location.

All this brings me back again to the points in the previous diary entry. The more detail there is in the world, the harder it is to fit new things in. Without a framework to explain 'what is already there' and to encourage proper collaboration, we all waste time discussing details that we could have sorted out much more easily.

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Comment from Pawl on 10 July 2016 at 13:31

@adminero_us: Having seen what you've done, I'm not happy with it, largely for the reasons which joschi81 and Ūdilugbulgidħū have already given : it doesn't look right geographically, and I did not want Wesmandy's coastline extended down the eastern border.

I would be grateful if you would reverse it and find a way to extend your coastline which either does not impact other countries, or which is agreed in advance with any country which might be impacted.

Many thanks.

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