Luciano's Mapper's Challenge #12 - March, 2017 - Ghosts on the Map

Posted by Luciano on 2 March 2017 in Korean (한국어).

My very brief summary of my own work on last month’s challenge: I didn’t do it. I thought about it. Does that count?

The problem, of course, is that I decided I wanted to have the Topo layer complete before beginning work on Comala. That became an impossibly huge project, as my contour-drawing mania started to encompass the surrounding region.

Anyway, Comala will eventually be mapped, and it will have no motorways.

How did everyone else do?

Luciano’s Mapper’s Challenge #12 - March, 2017 - Ghosts on the Map

This month’s challenge is a more manageable scale. It comes from Thilo.

He suggested “mapping things that aren’t there anymore.”

This is a common enough aspect of urban geography. This article (Los Angeles Times) is a good introduction to the issue in the context of North American urbanism. In Europe, you can find the outlines of ancient Roman amphitheaters, for example.

Some users have done this already, in OGF. There’s joschi81’s former railway station converted into a concert hall, in Tarott. I placed a “former railroad right-of-way” when I mapped the area surrounding the Irhoborin Refugee Settlement in Duvar, which can just barely be made out on the map (look for “Rail Street”).

So this month’s challenge is to map something that isn’t there anymore. Use your imagination, think about the history of your territory, and go for it.

Since I’m working on Comala, I think I might place a small, abandoned pre-Colonial city “under” the modern Ardispherian city. I was planning on approaching the city at least semi-historically (not at rigorously as user Pawl has been doing, but a similar concept). So I will draw a plan and place some buildings for the pre-Colonial city in a layer for Comala, which rather than uploading, I’ll just keep for reference as I develop the city.

Happy mapping.

Comment from bhj867 on 2 March 2017 at 05:07

The best I have right now is the broken city walls of St. Richards.

Comment from bhj867 on 2 March 2017 at 05:08

and possibly the historic city of Lindinis

Comment from Pawl on 2 March 2017 at 06:31

For last month, I worked on the city of Porthbrenin (but didn’t begin it from scratch) and added no motorways, because motorways hadn’t been invented at the time I’m mapping (1900)! The plan was to bring it into the modern world with a motorway to the north but not within the city, but RW activity took too much of my time and I haven’t even started moving forward in time yet. Fail.

I already have things which I originally mapped as new but which now remain only partially or as ruins, including, in Porthbrenin, Aberffenwy city wall and the ruins of Penmaion Castle and an abbey ruins. My early mapping included two ends of a former bridge. There will be plenty more!

Comment from ilikemaps on 2 March 2017 at 08:03

I have the route of an old motorway

Comment from joschi81 on 2 March 2017 at 09:22

Hi Luciano, I like this challenge, but I’m sure I don’t have to do anything here, my cities (e.g. Tarott, so it’s my former railway station, not Thilo’s ;) ) are full of such details and elements.

Of course it makes only sense for elements that still can be traced on the map. For example, the old regional airport Kulz-Jübelstein isn’t visible anymore, the area is being “heavily” transformed into the EXPOMONDIALE 2018 exposition grounds.

this is how it looks like right now

and this is how it looked until 2015:

Regionalflughafen Tarott-Jübelstein

And by the way: Thanks for mentioning Tarott in your Bliki in such a positive way. I hope I will have the time to add more Tarott details soon.

Happy mapping!


Comment from Aces California on 2 March 2017 at 09:49

I think what I can do for this challenge is to just re-emphasis the old BAV Lalmatia Airbase, cross more roads over the former runway and add in actual buildings.

Comment from histor on 2 March 2017 at 10:56

Ghost-stations and tunnels at the metro in Porto Colon / Latina []

Comment from Luciano on 2 March 2017 at 13:54

@joschi81 - sorry about that misattribution to Thilo. I’ve done that twice - I’m not sure why I do that. I tend to mix up you two, as you’re both “founders” of OGF. I’ll fix the posting with an edit.

@everyone - I think this challenge is leading me to realize how much people are already doing this. Maybe it’s an unnecessary challenge? Anyway, we can always make more ghosts.

Happy mapping.

Comment from Aces California on 2 March 2017 at 15:48

There’s always a way to advance on a challenge if you’ve been doing it already. The examples you posted of real life shows more how buildings and streets have slotted into the space of demolished items. The way I interpret this challenge is more about the architecture and planning of replacing demolished/abandoned items instead of mapping out ruins. For example, I guess my air-base works as a replacement than a ruins due to the fact it’s like the old WW2 air-field of the UK which have been replaced by industrial complexes or residential areas.

Like your examples suggest, a disused rail-line could easily be “suggested” by the roads and buildings in it’s place. It’s less of mapping actual sites, and more “suggesting” that something once was there. That’s probably the best way I can describe interpreting this challenge. Suggestions of what was once there.

Comment from Yuanls on 2 March 2017 at 18:28

I’ve mapped much in the way that Aces California has mapped. Most of my historical mapping is rather subtle and implied and is more about everyday objects and features rather than grand monuments and the like. It’s so subtle, in fact, that you will not see it unless I have explicitly told you the history behind it.

For example, the area around [Wellingbrook Station] ( used to be slightly further east, which is why Station Road is cut in half and why there is a gap between the railway bridge in the east and the station itself. There was a former railway yard south of the station, which is now a field and some commercial offices. The boundary of the yard is marked by the line of houses. There were some sidings in the north as well; you can tell by the bridge that led to the industrial area there. Obviously Wellingbrook Station is very reduced, having faced closures first during the 60s and then in the 80s.

There are many more locations with histories like this throughout Glaster, especially in Plowford. I shall be continuing with this in the future.

Comment from Myrcia on 3 March 2017 at 21:36

I love this idea so much. I have a few ghosts in Myrcia such as the Áfonfeld Mid station and the old Strijp-E Buildings which were once a Philipsson industrial area but have now become a trendy residential and commercial district. There are a few other disused railway lines about too.

I’d love to do something more creative for this challenge, I’ll have to think about it.

Comment from niels20020 on 4 March 2017 at 12:17

Nice challenge! I will create some ghosts in Balonis. Keep an eye on my bliki to see them :)

Comment from BelpheniaProject on 5 March 2017 at 06:35

I like this challenge, so I gave this my first try and made this ghost area where a former samurai castle used to be in Ayano, Greyview Prefecture in Belphenia.

Comment from wangi on 6 March 2017 at 15:30

Good challenge; try to do this all the time. My most recent mapping is adding a squat / slum at the location of an old railway junction in Gobras City. This is part of a plan which will also see the old station (on / near Km Square) added too. Based on discussion here (and the topic above it).

Also added a few in the Ardisphere too ;) 1

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