OpenGeofiction
Hello everybody,
some of you ask me about permition for your country to be former colony of Ingerland. For all your requests my answer will be positive, so there’s no need to do it )) You can edit wiki page of Ingerland and add your country into the list of former colonies. Also there’s the page Timeline of Ingerish colonial history to fill it by significant dates and events concerning the colonial relationship with Ingerland.
I don’t think much about historical affairs, but I would like to finish all battles for independence from Ingerland to extreme date of 1980.
Best regards, Andy
Discussion
Comment from Yuanls on 13 December 2015 at 13:05
Well then I would like to set my invasion I mentioned back to 1979 then please, and independence year 1982 kept the same.
Comment from Andy on 13 December 2015 at 16:03
Ok, but I don’t like it and see no reason for such strong opposition with aggressive acts between Ingerland and its colonies in modern era in the end of second half of XX century.
Comment from Yuanls on 13 December 2015 at 17:43
It happened with the Falklands wars, and that happened in 1982, so there’s no reason not to have a small skirmish in the 1970s.
Comment from isleño on 14 December 2015 at 08:47
I don’t know if the Falklands war is a good example, since it wasn’t really a war between the UK and its colony. Argentina viewed (and still views) the colony as being located on its territory, but that’s different from the colony itself fighting for independence.
I was kind of assuming that Ingerland’s history broadly mirrors that of the UK, which would imply that they had pretty much adopted the principle of self-determination from the 1960’s onward. I’ve written that Onnutu was granted self-rule in 1960 and transitioned to independence peacefully in 1978. So I’m wondering, what’s the story behind the Glaster conflict?
Comment from alb120 on 14 December 2015 at 16:54
Perhps the conflict was more of an intervention that a full invasion.
If we are going to draw such parallels between Ingerland and Britain(which I don’t think is the best idea), then a conflict could have been a mobilization of troops to protect Ingerish interests in the country.
I can’t think of any time this happenedbin the late 20th century, but it almost happened in Iran when British oilfields were nationalized, and Britain almost sent troops to protect the oilfields.
Also, while it is true that most British colonies gained independence before the 70s, many countries continued to have their resources controlled by foreign companies, many of which were established under colonial rule.
PS. Please dont use opengeofiction to draw paralells of real world politics. The site is for creative mapping, not writting a “better” world history.
Thanks
Alb
Comment from Yuanls on 14 December 2015 at 17:19
@isleño This is what me, Rassmusson and Andy have proposed:
1773: Ingerland buys the Isle of Reyston and most of its surroundings from the then unified Glaster-Wyster. (They realised its naval significance) 1811: Successful Invasion of Glastian mainland. All of Glaster is now part of the Ingerish Empire. 1823: After 2 failed invasions from Wyster, Ingerland realisies that it cannot control the entirety of Glaster, and creates a country (North Glaster), which is then denied a re-unification with Wyster. 1824: This is cemented by a humiliating Ingerland-Wyster treaty. Wyster, fearing an Ingerish invasion, was forced to sign it. 1932: Ingerland grants South Glaster (save Reyston) the status of autonomous region. 1979: South Glaster declares independence and merges with North Glaster. North Glastian and Wystian troops move in to secure the area remarkably quickly (There had been secret plans for this ever since the 50s.) Ingerland invades in the following weeks from Reyston (Operation thunderstrike), but their forces are repelled by Glastian and Wystian troops. 1983: After 4 years of cold standoff, Glaster and Ingerland sign a treaty, declaring Glaster’s independence. Reyston and its surroundings became a demilitarised zone and most of the Isle of Reyston, excluding Marleighsham and the Port becomes and autonomous region of Glaster.
@Alb120 Well, since Ingerland draws so many parallels to the UK, I thought that example would be quite appropriate. I understand that for many, it is just a mapping tool, but if you look on the wiki, there are some pretty detailed accounts of history, and I believe that a history of a place and what it looks like on a map are linked, hence why people find it necessary to include a backstory on details.
Comment from alb120 on 14 December 2015 at 17:53
Now that I have read the history of Wyster and Glaster, I can understand the situation better.
So, to get it sraight, Wyster is a puppet of Ingerland, but overthrows its puppet gov in 1972, leading to a Glaster - Wyster alliance to repel Ingerish attemps to restore the puppet gov.(Right?)
I can see parallels to the Falklands, due the unrest caused by the Glaster govs faioure to capture Wyster.
So Glaster =Argentina Wyster = Falklands/Malvinas Ingerland = Britain
At the same time, the Falkland Islands had more popular support for Britain than for Argentina, but Wyster had more popular support for Glaster.
(Right?)
Tell me if I got that wrong, because I confused myself slightly.
Comment from Yuanls on 14 December 2015 at 21:30
@alb120 South Glaster is the autonomous region that is controlled by Ingerland (Falklands). North Glaster wants a re-unification, backed by Wyster (Argentina). Ingerland wants stability and to retain some control over South Glaster.
In 1979 South Glaster suddenly declares independence, following years of speculation. The re-unification begins soon after and North Glaster, backed by Wyster, sends in troops to South Glaster to stabilise the region. Ingerland then launches a counter-invasion, operation thunderstrike, destroying many coastal structures surrounding Reyston. They are repelled quickly. There is a tense, 3-year wait until Ingerland formally recognises South Glaster’s independence.
Comment from isleño on 15 December 2015 at 00:36
Thanks Yuanls. This is a great story, but I don’t think the Falklands is a good analogy. The key difference is that the Falklands population overwhelmingly considered themselves British and wanted to stay British.
By this time period, British colonies could pursue independence if that’s what the majority wanted, generally speaking. So Ingerland in this story comes across as being much more aggressive than the UK in 1979.
For the Falklands analogy to really work, you’d need to have an area where the majority actually wanted to remain Ingerish. For example, although the people of South Glaster wanted to be independent, maybe the people of Reyston wanted to remain Ingerish. Maybe the Glastians considered Reyston to be an inseparable part of Glaster and moved to occupy the island, and the Ingerish invaded in an attempt to defend Reyston.
Comment from alb120 on 15 December 2015 at 13:36
This reminds ke of the Mexican American War, where Mexico(Ingerland) controlled Texas(Wyster).
Most people in East Texas wanted to be independent or join the US(Glaster).
West Texas had more Mexican influence, so it would be like Reyston.
Or maybe like the current conflict in East Ukraine.
Ukraine(Ingerland) controls Crimea(Wyster). But Crimea (kind of) wants to be a part of Russiq(Glaster).
I think the story of Glaster and Wyster is interesting, and there really isnt a need to find a parallel real world event.
Comment from Ernestpkirby on 15 December 2015 at 16:06
I don’t know about those particularly but I know Freedemia was supposed to have originally been explored by the Ingerish in the 1540s as part of an explorational expedition sailing around Western Tarephia (also the history of Nature and Narghana, me and user Robert have discussed this before) then over time as the settlements became self sustained Ingerland put it’s attention elsewhere; after a bunch of disagreements the Narghanan settlers and the Freedemian/Nature settlements developed seperately. Eventually in the 1700s Freedemia had grown enough to develop into a country (I believe Narghana had already been a nation for 100 years or so?) and Nature decided to not become a state of Freedemia and become an autonomous territory. I was partially inspired by the whole New Netherlands thing in the early Americas, but I was sure to not make it too similar as I wanted to have a realistic but unique history.
That is one of the reasons why Freedemia’s main cities sound like Ingerish cities (ex. Quentinsburgh = Winburgh)
Comment from Yuanls on 15 December 2015 at 18:09
@isleño Yes, that was actually my original intention. Reyston was loyal to Ingerland-it had been in Ingerish for the longest. That was why I suggested that the Reyston Autonomous Region should be governed by both Ingerland and Glaster. Andy disagreed, which was fine, so now it’s just an autonomous region of Glaster.
Comment from alb120 on 15 December 2015 at 22:24
While were still on the topic, is it ok if Lallemand is an Ingerish colony from about 1760’s to 1910’s?
Also, not sure how the whole Ingerish colonial system worked, but would it make sense if Ingerland moved Gobrasani and Khaiwoonese loyal to Ingerland to Lallemand?This would explain the fairly high populations of Khaiwoonese and Gorbasani people living in some if the nearby countries of Gobrasanya. If we continue to use Ingerland as a Britain, the British had many Indian officials in Africa, so it would make some sense.
Comment from Andy on 16 December 2015 at 15:41
@alb120 I think it’s ok if Lallemand is Ingerish colony from about 1760’s to 1910’s As for the second question I haven’t a clue…
Comment from Pawl on 16 December 2015 at 18:53
If anyone wants an Ingerish-speaking alternative to Ingerland as a Ulethan colonizing power, I’d be happy for Wesmandy to have had a very small empire at some point.
@Andy, if you’re not going to do detailed histories, is it OK if I invent some characters from your countries? I’m thinking mainly of foreign princesses for my royals to marry :)