Country lists and flag templates in the wiki

Posted by LemonKing on 7 November 2017 in Finnish (Suomi)

I think country lists in the wiki need systematic editing. Some countries, even ones with large articles, are missing from some lists. Some existing flags do not have templates, or the templates are not linked correctly.

I suspect some users don't find or don't understand this instruction (it also seems to be located in a strange place, although linked form the help page):

It would be awesome if some experienced users who are familiar with the wiki content could occationally browse through pages like "List of countries", "Uletha", "Archanta" etc, to keep them up-to-date. I made a few updates myself, but there seems to be a lot to do, and I'm not sure I have found all the lists yet.

Comment from LemonKing on 7 November 2017 at 15:39

Map images like the one below need updating, too - anyone who knows how and has the time and the software required, please contribute!

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Comment from Proud_Bandiaterran on 7 November 2017 at 15:52

This seems like a good idea.

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Comment from isleño on 7 November 2017 at 23:27

Personally, I'd recommend that such maps not be updated, or even created in the first place, since the OGF world changes at a much faster rate than the real world does. Territories are constantly being divided, merged, adjusted, moved, claimed, unclaimed, renamed, deleted, etc, all the time. It would be impossible for such a map to remain accurate for long, absent some way of generating it automatically.

It's also fine for countries to be missing from lists. We definitely don't want every country added to every list. We've had a lot of people who join OGF, add their country to a whole bunch of lists, and then disappear, leaving a big mess that will eventually need to be cleaned up. In most cases, I'd suggest that countries should be added to lists only if the owner is willing to remove the country someday, should they leave the site.

We should probably make an organized push to remove references to "lost countries" throughout the wiki — which I think would be most efficiently accomplished in a country-by-country effort, running a wiki search for the country name and then removing all references to that country. Perhaps this could be paired with a basic cleanup of the country on the OGF map, where the name would be reverted back to the OGF id number and the territory made to look relatively "neutral" and attractive for a new user to claim. But this doesn't seem to be a particularly urgent problem.

Clearly there are a few people who never figured out how to make a template with their country flag. Anyone who wants to fix those, is free to do so. If anyone thinks the flag template instruction page should be more accessible, they're free to propose a better version on the page itself, move the page elsewhere, and/or add links to it from other wiki pages.

All that said, I think most people would advise new users to stay focused on mapping their own country, and not get distracted by the wiki at all... whether it's overwikification of their own land or worrying about bigger wiki issues. There will be plenty of time to work on these problems in the future, if you want, haha.

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Comment from LemonKing on 8 November 2017 at 15:49

Good points, isleño. I didn't realize that countries are constantly abandoned without proper cleanup, Surely removing false data should be priority before adding new countries to lists.

I agree new users should focus on mapping. Some help with wiki could motivate them to do exactly that. Wiki visibility can be a motivating factor for mapping. My advantage is having Wikipedia experience, but many newish users don't have that. There's a lot of talk about overwikification, but I think we should be careful not to underestimate the value of the wiki. It can be a powerful community building tool if its full potential is used.

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