Riekava-February-March 2017

Posted by Litvania on 17 March 2017 in English (English)


Over the past few weeks i was getting myself ready to use JOSM for the largest, biggest scale work i have ever done on this website. The district of Riekava. (i was very impatient to share it with you guys)

This region is my favourite in Litvania. Best enjoyed at zoom level 13. Below is some information on this area.


  • Forests - They cover the majority of the region.

  • Mountains - The region is home to the Svetovidly (world-viewer/seeker) mountains.

  • Wilderness - Wild streams, gently sloping valleys and calm villages and towns are all commonplace here. Also, the soil here, is well not very fertile so animal agriculture is more common than anything.

  • Wateeeeeeer! - This area is the most dense in watersheds in Litvania.

  • Eastern Wildlife Refuge - The second largest of its kind in Litvania, and a very popular camping area, though only in designated places.


  • Regional Dish - I am yet to come up with something, but i guess it will either be a soup or a lamb meat dish.

  • Language - The Litvanian spoken here is very different to the Loravian (standard) Litvanian. People tend to emphasize vowels.

Places worth seeing

  • Dvojtín Castle - A wonderful castle overlooking the confluence of the Riekava and Hornava rivers, surrounded by the ancient market town of Dvojtín.

  • Hornava - An medieval castle and church were built here, which led many religious Litvanians to travel here, which led the town increasing in size steadily over the centuries. It is a popular spot for believers worldwide.

  • v. n. Riekava - Though artificial, this is a wonderful freshwater lake where swimming is allowed, so it is a nice place to go during the weekend. If you were curious, "v. n." stands for "vodná nádrž", Litvanian for "water reservoir".

This is the format i will use to present my work in the future.

This is my first fully JOSM place, so i am a bit worried. Anyways i love it! Any suggestions? Comments? Thing to improve? Let me know!

Location: K Hornave, Šteropín, Litvensko

Comment from eklas on 17 March 2017 at 22:36

Not bad for the first time using JOSM.

One thing worth improving would be the railways, specifically the curves and junctions. Make them smoother and use the circle tool (o).

love from ya neighbor💚

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Comment from martinum4 on 17 March 2017 at 23:35

Hey there, My suggestion for the railways would be to actually use railway=rail instead of light rail, light rail is usually used for S-Bahns/Metro/Suburb trains/[Any Trains that are bigger than trams, but not subways and smaller than "normal" trains]. Also i'd not tag the railway=[station|halt] onto the rail directly, these are usually not part of the track. I'd may add another rail track from Veľké Petrov to Hornava, the valley where it is continuing looks less populated (from the size of the landuse=residential)

If the lake is artificial it might need some kind of dam, also i'd write out the "v.n.", if a name is too long the renderer will omit it automatically, but you can still find it properly via nomiatim (this kinda applies to everyones names, also the often shortened "Rd" and "Blvd"...).

Maybe my text sounds a bit too harsh, that's not really intended, i'm just used to mapping for OSM :P

Overall the Landscape looks good :)

Kind regards and happy mapping


P.S.: Invest in some bridges, otherwise your people will get wet feet all the time :P

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Comment from martinum4 on 17 March 2017 at 23:36

Also, how did you get used to JOSM, did you think you got more efficient using it?

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Comment from MrOobling on 18 March 2017 at 07:55

You have definitely placed too many villages too close together. If you look at this video,, it is noted that the average American village is about 10 miles away from the nearest villages. This is a bit extreme because it is American but your villages should be at least 5 km apart, probably more. Yours are about 1.5km apart.

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Comment from eklas on 18 March 2017 at 08:07

@MrOobling: No.

In Central Europe (which Drabantia and Litvania are based on), villages are considered settlements with 50 - 1500 people (Czech average: 470 inhabitants per village) that are usually about 1 - 3 km apart from each other.

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Comment from Leowezy on 18 March 2017 at 11:10

Seconding what eklas said, in fertile environments much closer distances are plausible. Just take a look at Bangladesh or the Chinese rice bowl ;)

To martinum4; no intention on starting a serious debate about this, but I always assumed railway=tram was supposed to be used for light rail, while railway=rail should be used for heavy rail? The only example in OSM I know where a heavy rail system is tagged as tram is the S-Bahn and metro in Berlin, which in my opinion is not the smartest decision anyways; I think it makes much more sense to tag metros as subway, all kind of heavy rail (be it mass transit or not) as rail, and leave the tram rails for any kind of light rail system, usually at grade with street traffic or mostly even running on the streets themselves.

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Comment from martinum4 on 18 March 2017 at 11:35

@Leowezy: If I interpretet stuff correctly it is usually like this: railway=tram: Usually driving on sight, most of the time same level and speed as the normal traffic on streets. railway=light_rail: usually signalled, higher speeds than railway=tram, the profile is smaller than on a railway=rail (Lichtraumprofil), usually just used for specific rail services (S-Bahn), no general train traffic. railway=rail: Signalled, general purpose rails, all kinds of traffic

The S-Bahn in Berlin is tagged as railway=light_rail, it drives under the EBO (Law for normal railways), not the BoStrab (law for trams), but there is no general traffic on it The Subway in Frankfurt/Main is tagged as light_rail because it is not at the same level as the roads (STRASSENbahn...), but it operates under BoStrab

The main difference between railway=light_rail and railway=rail is usually a legal one and what actually uses the rails.

I hope that clarifies it a bit.

Kind Regards


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Comment from Litvania on 18 March 2017 at 16:30

@martinum4 i definitely feel that my work is now prettier and that i have gotten more efficient with large scale work. for small scale work however, i havent used it yet.

@eklas thanks! ive redone the railways there.

@MrOobling i second what @eklas said

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Comment from isleño on 20 March 2017 at 00:01

Your wiki comment: "March 18 Finalised Riekava, do not intend to go into further detail" is somewhat concerning; more detail will definitely be expected at some point...

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Comment from Litvania on 20 March 2017 at 06:36

@isleño I mean for now it's going to be like this. Later I might get into more work on the region.

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Comment from isleño on 20 March 2017 at 19:21

Well for future reference, if someone specifically links to a "wonderful castle" or "medieval town," we'd hope to actually explore these places on the map, at least as works in progress; not just ideas that the person "might get into" someday. The whole point of a zoomable map, of course, is that it shows detail at every level.

If there's anyone here who isn't that interested in small details (someone who really just wants a "zoom 13 map" or "zoom 9 map" or whatever the case may be), it's possible to make spectacular maps using Inkscape or other drawing programs — maps that aren't zoomable like OGF, but can be a lot better in other ways. Definitely worth looking into, for anyone whose interests may lie in that direction.

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Comment from Litvania on 20 March 2017 at 20:20

@isleño this is the one thing that annoys me with this website. The admins are always saying things like: "more detail" "not roleplay" "more mapping" "more detail" "no overwikification" "more detail". Please, i do not have the motivation to work in such detail on this region now.

I have a specific schedule that says "first complete basic geography, settlements and landuse and roads for entire nation. Then go over regions in hotel level detail."

Detail requires work. A lot of it. I am not capable (as an 8th grader) to complete such projects in small amounts of time, yet i still want to map and be happy with my work. So i will do as i want to do, and later go into something else.

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Comment from isleño on 20 March 2017 at 23:47

OGF is a community of people who share a specific goal: to create high quality mapping with careful attention to realistic detail.

And believe it or not, we are a very small community.

We are greatly outnumbered by floods of other people who don't share our goal: people who don't care about quality (just want to scribble nonsense), people who don't care about detail (just want to map some motorways and city names), people who just want to role-play or write "lore" in the wiki (don't care much about mapping at all).

The internet is full of these people, many of whom discover OGF and think that our platform is the perfect place for whatever it is they want to do.

So defending this place is a constant struggle, not just for admins but for other experienced mappers as well, to preserve our community's dedication to detail and realism and quality. If we stopped standing up for these values, we'd be completely overrun with careless mapping, motorways everywhere, endless wiki gibberish, etc. This site would be full of garbage, and the unique community we've carefully nurtured would no longer exist as we know it.

So when someone says "I don't intend to add any more detail," we stand up and say, hey, that's not what OGF is about. When someone says "guys look at my wonderful (nonexistent) castle," we stand up and say, hey, we expect that castle to be built. When someone starts adding lots to the wiki when they've barely mapped anything, we stand up and say, hey, this site is about mapping first.

Sorry if that annoys you, but we're defending our community and its values.

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Comment from Litvania on 21 March 2017 at 06:41

@isleño I assume your reasoning is right (I spent my entire summer holiday looking for a website like this), because whenever I searched Geofiction, I would get only results about lord of the rings and stuff. My final statement:

"The area is pending for more detail when time comes to map it."

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Comment from isleño on 21 March 2017 at 07:20

"The area is pending for more detail when time comes to map it."

That's a statement I can wholeheartedly support. Thanks for understanding & happy mapping. :-)

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