OpenGeofiction
Currently, the spellings of country names are inconsistent on the map. - I would prefer a uniform scheme. Today there are:
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short names (e.g.: Gobrassanya)
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short names in capital letters (e.g.: LATINA)
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long official names (e.g.: Republic of Alora)
Hereby I propose to use only the short names.
What Do you think?
Should the country names be unified?
Discussion
Comment from wangi on 8 August 2014 at 22:53
Makes sense to do same as what happens on OSM, which pretty much what you suggest:
osm.wiki/Key:name
Comment from histor on 9 August 2014 at 00:38
Short name in capital letters. So you see better, that is the name of an country and not one of a state (province). The long names with “Kingdom of …” or “Republic of ….” only take place on the map. Now there is a wiki - if someone want to know, he can read, what sort of constitution the land has.
Comment from wangi on 9 August 2014 at 01:25
Did you mean to say “the long names … only take place on the wiki”?
The stylesheets should take care of the country vs province concerns - OSM doesn’t BLOCKCAPS countries,.
Comment from histor on 9 August 2014 at 08:37
I say it takes place in the map - the OpenGeoFiction map.In first line it is helpful, to give on OGF countries a short name (Xyz, not Holy Kingdom of Xyz) - in second line I find it better to write for a country XYZ, not Xyz.
Comment from Oxalia on 9 August 2014 at 11:31
What about
adding an country-name-ALLCAP-feature in the histor-style
and unifieing all country names (in the map-data) to
Comment from wangi on 10 August 2014 at 10:16
Content and presentation should always be separate, so I agree that if for some reason we did want ALLCAPS displayed then the place to do that is in the map style / style sheet.
Comment from Sarepava on 10 August 2014 at 16:40
Ok, but in what language? OSM displays most countries in the vernacular name, only adding a Latinised version if it is in a non-Latin script.
Comment from Oxalia on 10 August 2014 at 16:52
I would prefer to do it like in OSM:
(regarding all names in OGF)
And for country names (already written above):
What is displayed in the map should be decided by the renderer.
Comment from Saint Piran on 10 August 2014 at 23:27
This is fine by me as long as nobody tries shortening ‘Brythonn Imperium’ which is already a shorthand for ‘ The Imperium of the State of Brythonn & the Federated States of the Europan Polity’!
Politically within the ‘Brythonn Imperium’ there are two Contingents. The first Contingency is ‘The State of Brythonn’ and the other Contingency is ‘The Federated States of the Europan Polity’
The next-down political divisions in ‘The State of Brythonn’ (which part MAY BE shortened to just ‘Brythonn’ ~ and is what I’ve done on the Map) are ‘Provinces’ and then ‘Counties’. Within Counties themselves there may be found independant politically separate ‘Urban Boroughs’ &/or ‘City Unitary Authorities’, however for rural areas ‘County’ is their lowest political unit.
In the ‘Federated States of the Europan Polity’ the next-down official political entities are the 60+ actual ‘States’ within the Federation; each representing one separate individual cultural group [per UEFA Membership + various Earthly wannabe ‘microstates’ allowed their Liebensraum on the new planet] ~ although there also exists a cadre of Cyrillic-writing States loosely bound as the unofficial political entity called ‘Kyrylian Nations’ which often operates a bloc-veto/vote in Polity politics!
Each State within the Polity is otherwise its own master and operates its own version of internal political divisions.
Comment from Oxalia on 13 August 2014 at 16:48
Are there any concerns, about changing the country names in the map-data as proposed above?
Comment from tom_m7 on 15 August 2014 at 02:07
If we’re planning to display all the short country names on the map as “XYZ” to help distinguish between countries and states/provinces/districts/{insert name here}s, then I’m against that. You can already distinguish between countries and subdivisions (the subdivisions’ names are in italics, while the country names are not), although I do have to say that the fact that both are displayed in the same font size makes them a little hard to distinguish.
I agree with the idea to use these tags on a Country node: > * name = short name (e.g.: Gobrassanya) > * official_name = long official name (e.g.: Republic of Alora)
as I’m pretty sure OpenStreetMap does that already.
Comment from Oxalia on 16 August 2014 at 10:29
Now some country name tags have been unified by me…
To be continued…
Comment from joschi81 on 19 August 2014 at 20:15
As for all-caps spellings: They should never be used as input. All-caps set manually “hide” the correct spelling from the database. However, it is always possible to output labels in all-caps using the style attributes (not in the main style, though).
And I totally agree with Oxalia’s comment:
Comment from bhj867 on 24 August 2014 at 09:15
Nope, don’t like it, changing mine back. Leave it alone please. Trust me Kingdom of Pretany is a lot shorter than that massive island chain near the equator a paragraph long.