Opinons on central Wyndham

Posted by Yuanls on 30 November 2016 in English (English)

I've recently taken a break from 'ultra' high-detail mapping in Plowford(you might need to zoom in), and focus with some work on the Glastian capital, Wyndham.

Wyndham need a significant cleanup. Unlike most of my towns and cities, it was drawn in a rather haphazard fashion, and rather than drawing Wyndham all in one go, which was possible with all my smaller settlements, I decided to draw Wyndham gradually. This posed problems; Wyndham became a patchwork of poorly mapped, well mapped and iffy areas. I decided to fix the problem this week. Below is what Wyndham looked like before and after.

Wyndham, before and after

I designed Wyndham inspired around the cities of Coventry and Birmingham, both of which underwent major rebuilding during the 60s and 70s. Parts of Wyndham were completely razed to the ground following battles against the Communists and Commonians during the Glastian Civil War during 1948, which left room for major redevelopments. However, there was no post 90s redevelopment project, such as the one in Birmingham, that took place. This means that Wyndham retains many of its old, brutalist buildings, which older structures scattered around. I propose to downgrade or delete the outer ring road (you will need to zoom out). The best thing I think I've drawn in Wyndham is, the road junction here. It's not really realistic for a city like Wyndham, but I do not want to delete it, as it is the only complex junction that I have drawn that I am satisfied with.

I was unwilling to delete and redesign the whole of Wyndham, which meant that most of my early, short sighted street and rail patterns stayed approximately the same. I'd like to know what areas I need to focus or improve on. Scroll around, zoom in and out to get a perspective on the whole of the city, and tell me what you think.



Location: Holdwell, Wyndham, Wyndham and Bovier Island, Glaster

Comment from kingfries on 30 November 2016 at 23:49

Hey there, Looks really great. I'm probs one of the few people who actually like these bland concrete monsters, they have very unique feeling and ,vibe' to them. So back to you work, I think the concourses at the station should be focused on. The rest is, well, normal gradual improvement. Anyways keep it up!

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Comment from Aces California on 30 November 2016 at 23:50

I like it, it's all got such a great familiar feeling, much like how you've described with the rebuilding of Birmingham. As for the ring-road and the junction you liked, is that the one parallel to Anston Road, if that's it then it looks great, if it's the spaghetti junction to the north of it, it may need a bit of re-planning, it does seem very busy unless that is what you were going for. And I can't really speak for that matter either since I still need to perfect junctions myself.

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Comment from Sarepava on 1 December 2016 at 01:25

The mapping is great, and zoomed in all seems believable. However...

The layout of stations just does not seem right to me for a city in this location. due to the wide river and the island nearby. Wyndham would surely have been built as a port given its sheltered location. There are also what to me are extraneous railway tracks, for example you have provision for a train to take three different routes from Holdwell Junction to Decton.

The platform arrangements at the two light rail stations make little logistical sense. The light rail terminates at the depot beyond Douglas and Parr, which is highly improbable given its city centre location (unless the network is incomplete and you plan to extend the lines further south). But above all, the four platforms here are supplemented by a pair of terminating platforms some 300m away at Wyndham Central. Not only does it make little operating sense to finish a train ride here when there is plenty of platform capacity at the end of the line half a mile away, but at the end of the day a train would have to reverse out onto the main line, block it whilst the driver changes ends, and then travel for 30 seconds forwards again to reach the depot. A single pair of through platforms at this station would be sufficient.

Station Parade's oneway system is also the wrong direction for a country that drives on the left.

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Comment from Luciano on 1 December 2016 at 02:00

When I looked just now, the station arrangement of the light rail line also leaped out at me as a possible issue. Sarepava describes it quite well.

I think you could definitely create a more plausible "geographic history" for Wyndham by adding a smaller tributary river closer to the city core, or better yet, imitating all the interesting small rivers and often now-disused 19th-century era canals that define central Birmingham, for example.

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Comment from Myrcia on 1 December 2016 at 08:37

I have really enjoyed looking at Wyndham in all its detail. I think it's very admirable to try and create a post-war city like Birmingham, that's a period of architecture and city planning I'm very interested in. I really like the stations, particularly Wyndham Central that has so many interesting elements. I like the parking in the centre (like Edinburgh Waverley), I like the café in the gap between the platforms (like Bristol Temple Meads) and I like the general Manchester Piccadilly / Birmingham New Street vibe.

I think that the city centre outside the stations is somewhat incoherent. It works as an urban hinterland like Basingstoke where the old town plan is just about there but it has been taken over by roads and office blocks and where the pedestrian is an after thought. It doesn't really work if it is supposed to be a Birmingham-type city centre. Birmingham has New Street, Corporation Street and the High Street all of which provide a coherent pedestrian layout for shops and offices with the Queensway keeping most of the traffic at bay.

I think there would be an argument for having Central Street as a broad pedestrian shopping street which connects up into Station Place. The same goes for Crayston Road.

I hope this is helpful. Keep up the great work on Glaster, I always enjoy looking around.

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Comment from Yuanls on 1 December 2016 at 20:53


Thanks! I find it interesting to map a place like this in the OGF world, as it brings a level of dysfunction into play, which is something you don't really see here. (At least I haven't)

@Aces California

The one I'm referencing is the large junction at the north. I am fully aware that it is rather large and rather out of place, but I am going to leave it to be at the moment. I'll relocate/modify it when I start mapping that far out.

@Sarepava, Luciano

Thanks, very useful advice you have there. The geographical context of Wyndham has been a longstanding problem that I have recently become aware of and started thinking about. I have no experience mapping sea-related structures (Birmingham and Coventry are the furthest cities in Britian from the coast). Nevertheless, I've come up with several ideas to address the issue. Maybe the straight began to silt up, meaning the sea immediately outside Wyndham was eventually turned into dry land over the centuries. Maybe the Glastian Civil War destroyed the port facilities, and instead of being rebuilt, ships were diverted to the ports at Holdwell and Bovier, the latter being a major port and industrial centre anyway. Alternatively, Luciano's river and canal idea could work out as well. A combination of these ideas would work as well.

I did think about the light rail situation at Central Street when I was drawing the station. Historically, when the line was initially built, the terminus was situated at the bay platform of Central Street. By the time the line was extended to Wyndham Douglas and Parr, another platform had to be built at a slightly higher and slightly different elevation in order to gain enough height in order to pass over the tracks on what was then platforms 9, 8 and 7. This created the curious arrangement we see today. Of course, that was some time ago, and I'm not sure if the original bay platform serves any purpose in the present. Any ideas on that? There will be a southern extension to the light rail line towards Wyndham Airport, but I only have a vague idea on where it will be located, so nothing has been mapped as of yet. On the subject about the routes to Holdwell, the single tracked route through Douglas and Parr is used mainly for parliamentary trains and diverted services, and serves no real purpose. Its role has been succeeded by the Wyndham Light Rail system. The line via Wyndham Central is for long-distance trains going from Reyston-Decton-Wyndham-Bovier-Tibrin. The third route that avoids all the major termini is a freight route, for trains heading towards and away from the industrial region of Bovier.

Thanks about the note on Station Parade; I thought I corrected this mistake months ago, but it turns out that never happen.


Thanks for the advice here as well! The city centre is purposely drawn to reflect incoherence, but I think what you proposed would be a nice addition to Wyndham. After all, the city cannot be all that gloomy! I will start mapping around Central Street shortly. What I've mapped in the outer city centre is purposely somewhat dysfunctional, with lower end businesses and shops operating.

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