Voting results for naming the oceans and new continents

Posted by admin on 27 November 2015 in English (English)

Thanks again to everyone who suggested names, and everyone who took the time to vote. Congratulations to those who contributed the winning suggestions!

The new ocean names are the Ardentic Ocean, the Hesperic Ocean, and the Asperic Ocean. The new continents are Orano, Ereva, Kartumia and Pelanesia.

It has been mentioned that Hesperic/Asperic may be too similar. What are your thoughts? How would you feel about changing to Hesperic/Asperian or Hesperian/Asperic, in order to differentiate them a bit more? Or is there another easy solution? Let us know what you think in the comments.

For anyone interested in the vote tallies and other details, we'll be adding a wiki page soon with the number of votes received by each option, the list of voters, and a list of the name submissions that didn't make it to the ballot. Some of the ideas would make great names for gulfs, seas, bays, rivers, lakes, countries, states, cities, etc, so we encourage the community to make good use of these names, and not let them go to waste.

Thanks again to all who participated. Again, if you have opinions on the Asperic/Hesperic issue, let us know in the comments, and we may modify one or the other of these.

Comment from EMKLI on 27 November 2015 at 17:44

I don't think that hesperic and asperic are more "too identical" as Tarephia and Antarephia. I like the choices (and don't really know how I voted anymore... :D).

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Comment from Leowezy on 27 November 2015 at 18:18

I completely agree with EMKLI :) I think they are both very fitting names, and by keeping the endings of the oceans' names uniform we probably avoid another possible source of errors; Also, real-world names as well weren't invented to be very distinguishable every time, and I think the similarity adds a certain... flair to it, and makes it seem less "on purpose" as opposed to "developted naturally".

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Comment from Sarepava on 27 November 2015 at 19:35

Now that this is done, users with coastlines should come up with names of smaller 'seas' as appropriate - perhaps we could recycle some of the rejected names here.

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Comment from histor on 27 November 2015 at 20:39

O.k. - that was the voting and I think, now let the names unchangend. Hesperic and Asperic is a good pair.

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Comment from antoon on 27 November 2015 at 20:53

Well i'm afraid i do think they sound alike. I also just noticed that all three have the -ic-suffix. So my choice would be the Asperian Ocean. But i even forgot to vote in the first place and my country isn't set to any of the three oceans, so i would be the last to make a big deal of this.

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Comment from joschi81 on 27 November 2015 at 21:06

Let the voting results untouched, please! The result is good and it doesn't matter if the names sound alike. They are - in any case - nice names and different enough!

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Comment from Luciano on 27 November 2015 at 23:59

I am one person who very much dislikes the "Asperic/Hesperic" pair because of the similar sound. Noting, especially, than in "converting" to other languages such as Spanish or French, where the "h" is unpronounced ( French Asperique/Hesperique ; Spanish Aspérica/Hespérica ) the difference becomes a single vowel, in pronunciation ( a vs e ).

In my West Coast dialect of English, furthermore, the /a/ is substantially fronted in word initial positions ( /æspɛɹɪk/ vs /ʰɛspɛɹɪk/ ), meaning that in my English, the vowels a and e are almost indistinguishable.

Having said that, I believe in the principle behind the vote, and feel bound to support it. Let it stand. It can be the source of endless confusion and frustration for many generations of OGF schoolchildren, learning their ogeography.

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Comment from histor on 28 November 2015 at 01:06

"It can be the source of endless confusion and frustration for many generations of OGF schoolchildren, learning their ogeography."

Life is not easy ;-)

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Comment from isleño on 28 November 2015 at 01:34

I think Luciano makes a good point about French and Spanish (with a silent 'h' these names sound much more similar) and personally I wouldn't see anything unreasonable about a community consensus modifying the ending of one of the names.

If that's not happening, then perhaps an alternate ending occurs only in French and Spanish (like Aspérica/Hespérina in Spanish, but still Asperic/Hesperic in English), unless of course that discrepancy would be even more annoying. These are not my languages so I can't be the judge of that.

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Comment from Sarepava on 28 November 2015 at 15:20

Luciano, you might be able to ease the confusion a little by having the two words take different genders, so you say La Aspérica and El Hespérico, or even Hespérino. Karolian will definitely use different endings to Inglish, we can't finish words with a consonant.

I read 'my West Coast dialect' as 'my West Country dialect'...

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Comment from Luciano on 28 November 2015 at 15:51

@Sarepava ... I have been thinking of maybe Oceano Aspérido and Oceano Hespérico (there is some free variation between Atlántico and Atlántido in Spanish). The other option is to use a completely different name in Spanish - this is quite plausible since Kalh79's Castellán fronts on the Asperic, and could have a its own historical name for the ocean. IIRC Spain didn't start using the term Atlántico until the influence of the French in the 18th c. Before that, it was simply El Mar Oceano.

As far as West Coast.. it refers to my English dialect being rooted in California - although in fact linguistically, Northern and Southern California are somewhat distinct. Mine seems a kind of mix of the two, with some weird Midwestern overlays).

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Comment from Sarepava on 28 November 2015 at 19:54

I should explain that the West Country dialect is a distinctive burr from the counties of Cornwall, Devon, Somerset, Dorset and Wiltshire, best sampled via The Wurzels' hit 'Oi've Got A Brand New Combine Harvester'. Although it is the basis for several eastern US accents as it was where settlers on the Mayflower and Matthew came from.

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Comment from isleño on 28 November 2015 at 20:01

@Luciano— One possibility for English is putting the stress on different syllables. At first I assumed both would have the accent on the middle syllable (as-PER-ic and hes-PER-ic) but either one could be accented on the first syllable (AS-peric or HES-peric), as in ad astra per aspera or Hesperus. "Ass-prick" is probably not a good route to go, haha. But I imagine as-PER-ic vs. HES-peric would sound different in any accent.

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Comment from Ūdilugbulgidħū on 28 November 2015 at 23:57

This is great, well done to those who put the effort in to make it such a fair process. I'm wondering now if we're going to also name the 'polar' oceans, and I think we need names for the tropics?

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Comment from Luciano on 29 November 2015 at 02:11

@Udi - a long time ago, I suggested (I can't find where) that we name the tropics Tropic of Taurus (Tropic of Cancer) and Tropic of Sagittarius (Tropic of Capricorn). This is actually quite interesting, because it would capture the precession of the equinoxes that has been disregarded on Earth. Of course, it assumes that in our parallel universe Earth, that the constallations have the same names. This is ... well, a little bit inconsistent. But I, for one, am not particularly interested in taking on a project to rename or invent a whole alternate universe of constellations. Anyway, I already have several monuments to the Tropic of Sagittarius in my country, Ardisphere, which sits right on 23.xx degrees south.

RE the Arctic and Antarctic ... I personally don't feel like these terms would be wrong to use "as is" in OGF - they are generic terms for the north and south poles, and people speak of the Martian Arctic or Antarctic, for example. Thus we could simply say Arctic Sea and Antarctic Sea. But others may feel differently about this.

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Comment from deltanz on 29 November 2015 at 03:01

I agree with Luciano, I also dislike the Hesperic/Asperic pair. But the problem was that such similar names for different oceans should not have made it to the shortlist anyway. Now it's to late to be sorry. I'm just curious about the availability of the new continents. when are they gonna be opened to new users?

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