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Commonia

Posted by zhenkang on 26 November 2016 in English (English)

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Comment from Pawl on 26 November 2016 at 07:25

I've always thought that Commonia - or somewhere like it - ought to be treated as a sandbox rather than an actual OGF country, where mappers (especially newcomers) can experiment and practice with whatever ideas they like. In which case, it wouldn't make sense to pre-ordain its history or culture at all, and it would be almost ignored in the "real" OGF world.

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Comment from Luciano on 26 November 2016 at 08:03

I would have been happy to see Commonia as a sandbox, personally, but as I understand it, current community consensus, such as it is, is that we are trying not to have any actual "sandboxes" in the sense Pawl suggests. I think the motivation is that it detracts from the potential "completeness" of the world, in an aesthetic sense. And I understand that and can support it.

Therefore in fact, Commonia needs a history etc. I'd rather see discussion of these issues on the Talk:Commonia page rather than here in the diaries, however.

The complicating factor to the above is that there has been at least some discussion among the admin team of changing Commonia's status (perhaps it would no longer be "blue").

Thus, people should be careful about investing time and energy in the country, since the situation might change. I would recommend against it - I have myself resisted the urge to continue my own work in Commonia several times.

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Comment from Yuanls on 26 November 2016 at 08:59

I have restrained myself from editing Commonian history for the time being, for the reasons Luciano had specified. I'd absolutely love to work on the history of Commonia though! Commonian history actually affects my countries, Glaster and Agarderia, quite a lot, as Commonia attempted to take a colonial foothold in Uletha in the 30s and 40s. If the wider OGF community allows, I will start developing some of my ideas.

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Comment from isleño on 26 November 2016 at 17:21

My own understanding is that Commonia will indeed be 'frozen' in the near future — as soon as a number of new smaller blue countries (currently under construction) are ready to take its place. These 'sandboxes' will hopefully be more manageable and less conspicuous, allowing new users to experiment but also encouraging them to do so more carefully and on a smaller scale.

So for right now, I would strongly echo Luciano's advice and urge no further wiki content for Commonia. For anyone wanting to create shared history together, try reaching out to other users who are eager to collaborate, contacting the owners of other countries in your region and more distant countries that interest you, requesting to get involved with projects in the purple territories, etc, etc...

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Comment from bhj867 on 26 November 2016 at 22:10

What will happen to Commonia once it is "frozen", will it become a Former country. Completely deleted and redeveloped? Confused. Some of us put a lot of work into parts of Commonia.

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Comment from isleño on 27 November 2016 at 00:41

@bhj867: I imagine there would be a community discussion about how this part of the world can move forward in a more cohesive way. I can see some things being renamed to form more coherent patterns of culture/language, and maybe some borders drawn to separate the various patterns, but I don't think anyone wants to delete high quality mapping.

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Comment from Luciano on 27 November 2016 at 01:23

I possibly mentioned this a long time ago (maybe in an admin discussion?)... I have thought that one approach to Commonia would be to have it retain it's identity as a single country, but allow ownership of individual parts (each state/region/province etc). This would, in essence, "force" collaboration between the respective owners, since they would each be owners of a larger project.

I have also thought more generally that this would be a way to solve the fact that so far, OGF lacks a US or USSR style hegemon. We could make some large territory an OGF USA-analog, but assign separate owners to each state, with 50+ states. The owners would all be attached to a kind of "covenant" (like owning a condo?) that required them to collaborate on the unifying culture/history/language etc. of the whole country.

This is just a brainstorm, and I'm pretty sure I've mentioned it before. I still think it might be worth considering.

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Comment from bhj867 on 27 November 2016 at 07:02

Luciano, I really really really like the US hegemon Idea!!!!!!! That has my vote.

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Comment from bhj867 on 27 November 2016 at 07:24

You know, I am in complete agreement with this decision now. Someone has changed the depths of Jungle Road near Sarangonia to "I-85" and began expanding the interstate in what is supposed to be a very desolate war torn region. I am not sure what is with the interstate obsession in Commonia, or OGF for that matter, but less is more with those things lol. Let's shut it down. :P

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Comment from Yuanls on 27 November 2016 at 12:53

I think that's a really good idea as well. One question I have is that what are we going to do about uncooperative mappers that refuse to leave Commonia?

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Comment from isleño on 27 November 2016 at 15:49

I'm trying to avoid getting attached to any ideas for now, but bear in mind we also have two other large areas to consider — UL099 and AR120 — so we can think about these two in conjunction with Commonia.

Each area can play different roles in the OGF world, and different collaboratives can offer users different options in terms of what style of mapping they focus on, as well as how the mapping is organized. Organizing by state will be a good idea in some cases, but it will also make sense to offer alternatives for mappers who would enjoy editing over larger areas.

Personally I think a lot of what has been suggested for Commonia can be separated out into these other two areas. For example, maybe the climate of AR120 makes it more suitable to play a "US" type of role and offer US style mapping, or maybe the geography of UL099 makes it more suitable to have territorial ambitions in eastern Uletha.

what are we going to do about uncooperative mappers that refuse to leave Commonia?

In the past we have offered them territories elsewhere and in some cases even helped relocate their mapping.

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Comment from Luciano on 28 November 2016 at 00:06

@isleño - in fact, I had in mind AR120 specifically, in thinking about a US-style country. Either that, or maybe something in the Western Hemisphere (which could still be "rearranged" to accommodate such a project).

The main reason I have lately been thinking about allowing users to "own" states in such a project is that other collaborative models haven't really done that well - even Gobrassanya, as an exception to that, has major issues with communication. I have thought that by allowing collaborators to "own" specific bits of territory, that sense of ownership and control would lead to more responsible collaboration. Perhaps, too, I'm partly motivated by self-interest - I have thought I would personally enjoy taking on a small "state" in a US-style country.

Regarding the "uncooperative users" - most of the long-term issues seem to have been successfully resolved. The main issues arising at this point are with new users who haven't yet figured out collaboration and/or haven't bothered to think about what type of country Commonia might be.

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Comment from isleño on 28 November 2016 at 09:34

The main reason I have lately been thinking about allowing users to "own" states in such a project is that other collaborative models haven't really done that well - even Gobrassanya, as an exception to that, has major issues with communication.

True, although I think Gobrassanya and the other blue countries are rather different from what would likely be considered for these areas. I imagine these would be collaboratives where people actually request to join, where they presumably learn something about the place first, and where they're expected to communicate with others, so there would probably be fewer issues with communication. But yes, I agree that we need to consider the question of why haven't other collaborations generated as much activity (maybe that would be an interesting topic for community discussion) and I also agree that experimenting with ownership models is definitely an option that should be pursued.

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Comment from No Way on 6 December 2016 at 17:44

How about making Commonia a Confederation for mapping purposes as well. The discussion shows that the government is a confederation with different regions appearing to have different states of wealth and development.

Why not make Commonia a mapping confederation?

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Comment from Katav on 7 December 2016 at 18:12

If you decide that you have to get rid of things, go ahead and delete "New Commonia". It doesn't look like a city at all, more like a jumble of parts...

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