Posted by Alejandro24 on 31 December 2015 in Spanish (Español)

Hi there. I got a territory to edit, AN150k. It is located at the south of Antarephia, its territory is the middle of an Island and my only Neighbourg is Mahhal. Its climate is cold and it is pretty small.

I guess I should look at real islands like Iceland, New Zeland or Malvinas (Falklands) to get an idea of how it should be.

By another point, how did you get inspiration to name your territories?


Comment from Luciano on 1 January 2016 at 00:14

Wow, I finally have a neighbor, again. Welcome to the neighborhood!

I say this as Mahhal's creator. Mahhal, as a country, might not be quite as friendly - they have a rather xenophobic history. I am happy to collaborate details of possible consequences of that, if you want.

These islands are much further south than New Zealand. The latitude is the same as the Antarctic peninsula, or Norway or Alaska if transposed to the northern hemisphere. I have proposed a "gulf stream" type warm current coming down the eastern side of Antarephia to warm the northern shores of Mahhal, but the only part of your country that would benefit from that current is the northernmost part, i.e. the wide channel separating Puh (westernmost main island of Mahhal) from your country - so that is probably where to concentrate your population.

I have imagined that the south coast of Mahhal is covered in sea ice in the winter, with the enclosed central Jessitim Sea iced around the edges but kept ice-free by some geothermal venting (similar to Iceland's coasts). So for example the islands off the south coast are reachable by "ice road" in the winter (similar to islands off Russia's north coast).

Just some thoughts. I think there is a great deal of volcanic and geothermal activity, which is why I have imagined Mahhal to be relatively energy-independent (as it develops that resource) despite a lack of petrochemicals.

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Comment from Alejandro24 on 1 January 2016 at 02:47

Thanks for the observations Luciano. Now you said about social aspects of Mahhal, is important to say that the people of this country is descendant of a group of expelled refugees people. Maybe Mahhal is the origin place, it could be a common chapter in the history.

By the geography, I've seen the article at the wiki and I have an idea of how the territory should be.

I'm still thinking in a name of the country, maybe an Esperanto based name.

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Comment from Sarepava on 1 January 2016 at 17:56

I think places like Greenland, Iceland, northern Fennoscandia and the southern tip of Patagonia would be a realistic basis for this territory. There's potential for some really interesting natural landscapes. So, that means low population density for most of the land (very low in places), no large cities, population anything from 700,000 to 3 million, concentrated on the coast and in the north, a mountainous and maybe volcanic interior, possibly few paved highways outside main settlements. Coastline likely cliffs and fjords. Temperatures low all year round (summer high of about 15C) and between 4 and 22 hours of daylight depending on the time of year. Oil, coal and gas likely exports, reindeer herding and lumber traditional industries. Tourism might be economically important in the last 50 years, things like snow trekking and whale and penguin watching. Likely to have a high standard of living and Nordic economic model.

Language is an interesting consideration. As several users have found, it can be difficult to explain how English, French, Spanish etc got to remote parts of the globe. Colonisation is the usual explanation, but in this case this land would be highly unlikely to be settled in the 16th-19th centuries - too cold, too far, no obvious resources apart from whaling. So relating it to the culture of Mahhal is likely, but then you would have to adopt a similar language. Alternatively use a completely new language for OGF, maybe even a real polar one like Inuktikk or Sami. There is a possibility if the country to the north was colonised the language spread south, but you'd still have a native language here before that.

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Comment from Alejandro24 on 1 January 2016 at 19:19

I'm taking note the suggestions, thanks Sarapava. I'll look at the coastlines at the places you mentioned and build a draft of the nation. Language, I was thinking in a esperanto based language, but with some modifications, maybe it would be considered as an isolated language in the OGF universe. About the territory of the north, I hope to get it soon and own the complete island.

By the way, I'm getting complicated to adjust the maritime border, specially the one that is very closer to Mahhal at the east, in the strait (does it have a name?).

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Comment from Ūdilugbulgidħū on 4 January 2016 at 15:05

Hello Alejandro24, I hope you're settling into Southern Antarephia. I'm the owner of the small island territory - Ēgdo (Ēkrąt Gąlbēdŭnš Dordŭnŷ) - that lies north of 150j. These islands have't been properly mapped yet, but they have a very small population (probably just a few 'villages'). The main inhabitants are albatrosses and penguins.

Two things I'd say about starting a new territory are that you shouldn't try for too big - even if the population is small, there is a lot of fiddly mapping required to make things look realistic. Secondly, the language and history: as Sarapava says, 'colonial' languages in distant parts of the world can only really be explained by recent history. In OGF Esperanto wouldn't be an isolate, it would have relationships with 'Romantian' languages. But it doesn't have to be a conglang and it could certainly have arisen 'naturally', in the right circumstances. If your population is made up of mixed immigrants from different Ulethan countries, this could explain your language's origin. But it would help if you could explain how it got so far south, I think. Perhaps a link with Mahhal would be more plausible for the ancestral population.

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