AN150k: construction of a geography -part 1.

Posted by Alejandro24 on 3 January 2016 in English. Last updated on 11 January 2016.

Hi again. I’ve been working on the planning of the geography in AN150k. But first, I’ve been decided a name: Aŭstrasuno Tero. Which means Land of the south sun in esperanto. The country will be esperanto-based, which it could be an isolated languaje for the OGF universe -or I don’t know if there is another one which is using this idea-.

But now, the geography of the country. Let’s look at the map again: Aŭstrasuno Tero. Zoom out of the country, with the whole island and its neighbours. Aŭstrasuno Tero is located at the south of that Island -with not name yet-. Mahhal at the east, Asperic Ocean at the north, and Hesperic Ocean at the west and south. I should say that I must message to the admin to know if I can claim the north territory AN150j and that small island at the west AN150i to own a whole country in one archipelago of islands. Zoom out. Place compared to Openstreetmap. Compared to OpenStreetMap (just change the direction in the URL). Zoom out in OSM. Note Sidney and Melbourne at the top righ corner. It is really at the south, more or less 60° south. Zoom out in OSM. Note Sidney and Melbourne at the top right corner Acording to the map of ocean currents map, the country has a cold current at the south and influence of a warm current at the north. This resembles places like Iceland, Norway, Greenland, Alaska, Kamtchatka, south of Chile and Argentina, and Malvinas (Falkland). Ocean Currents Iceland, smooth shore with rivers, lagoons and glaciers. Iceland Norway, fjords and glaciers. Norway Argentina and Chile, fjords and mountains, glaciers and rivers. Argentina and Chile Malvinas (Falkland), the combination of above in a small space. Malvinas The most closest place in the reality is Iceland and Malvinas.

Let’s talk about Aŭstrasuno Tero geography then. There are no names for much things yet. Before defining a maritime border and the shore -I need help with this and agreement wih Mahhal-, I started drawing some islands around the shore to give and appareance like in Chile. Here are some of them: Islands Islands Islands

In this map are marked the places where there will be geographical editions. In green over the ocean there will be islands sorrounding the shore. In blue, over the shore there will editions to terraform fjords, bays and another water formations, in darker blue where there will be interesting things. Inland, in darker blue there will be important rivres, in light blue the glaciers. Mountain ranges are marked as a pointed line. Geo: water and mount

Vegetation. There will be taiga -in green-, tundra -in brown- and alpine tundra -in white, sorrounding the glaciers and over high mountains-, distributed as the map shows next. Vege

First social draft. It may not be a big country, no more than 5 or 6 million of people lives there. This is a map that it shows the capital, star at the north, the most important cities, in squares, and another populations, dots. The red área shows where there are more concentration of people. pop

It’s all for now. I’ll look how to build the maritime border. Happy new year 2016.

Discussion

Comment from Luciano on 3 January 2016 at 03:33

I think the detail you’re working on is excellent! I’m happy to have such a dedicated neighbor. My only argument would in calling any of these territories “small.” Mahhal’s 7 main islands contribute to a land area of about 130000 km2, which is the same as the land area of Great Britain. Your territory is currently listed as about 100000 km2, so with some added outlying islands you might reach something similar to Mahhal. These are “medium sized” countries, and from a mapping standpoint, quite a bit of work already. Therefore I would encourage you to try to work with what you have - I really like the population map at the bottom - that is very realistic and interesting. I need to do some similar work with Mahhal. I suggest putting some mountains on the second (more southern) peninsula but leaving the northern peninsula more flat - this will allow you to maximize the area influenced by the warm current to the north. In Mahhal I have mainly made the mountain ranges north-to-south - this allows the moderate air to be funneled southward, maximizing the gentler climate areas.

Just some thoughts… overall, as I said, I’m amazed at the detail you’re considering.

As far as naming - feel free to use the Mahhalian language if you want (either as minority language or as an ancestor/substrate/relative to your other languages - it’s not well documented online, but I intend to provide more - including (possibly) some work on the writing system. Currently I posted a list of common geographical terms and some other vocabulary here.

Comment from Alejandro24 on 3 January 2016 at 04:28

Thank’s for the quick reply Luciano. I’m glad that you like the explanation. Maybe I should clear that it is mostly a draft, principal ideas, but the base of all. As for the territory, how do you know the area size? I don’t know too much about the scale of OGF, so maybe I look at it as small when it is medium. So you’re right, I’ll work with this piece of territory only before asking for the north -if still available, of course-. Leaving the north peninsula more flatter than the south is a great idea, maybe a glacier is not a good place for there.

About the language, the Mahhalian language is interesting. Maybe I would adopt it and develop new terms and even in a dialect of the mahhalian. Working with the name: Aŭstrasuno Tero, “Land of the South Sun” in esperanto. The words for mahhalian are Land, “-ak, -ek”; south, “hheia”; sun, “toma”. So, playing around without knowing the rules: Tomahheiak, Tomahheiek. Hheiaek Toma, Hheiaektoma. Not sure how, I’m just building words like if it were german (lol). How do you suggest?

Comment from Luciano on 3 January 2016 at 07:58

Yes, Mahhalian is agglutinative (I am modeling it somewhat on Korean, in that respect, but also on some Native American languages I’ve studied). So really, you can just stick words together - the longer the better!

I think Hheiatomak would come closest to how I would put it together.

I like the idea of you taking the bits of Mahhalian I’ve worked out and just taking it in your own direction. They can be related languages.

For vocabulary, sometimes I make words up, and a lot of words are borrowed from Ojibwe word lists - then I adapt the spelling to match the romanization I’ve standardized for Mahhalian.

You can find areas in the OGF:Area Table - but only if the territory relations are error-free.

Comment from _zM on 3 January 2016 at 09:33

The area table isn’t fully up to date though, my country is still listed as AN137b and I changed the name before Alejandro did

Comment from Luciano on 3 January 2016 at 09:50

The area table is updated about once a month, at Thilo’s convenience - it’s a big batch job that runs on the server. But it’s a great resource for getting data for wiki articles, etc.

Comment from Sarepava on 3 January 2016 at 19:21

This should be publicised as the model approach to designing a country. Starting with the geography will pay dividends later on and make for a realistic culture and believable maps. I like all the small islands you are adding. And particular praise for not slapping six out-of-scale US-style grid cities in the middle of the country…

I now think that Esperanto actually makes some sense as long as it’s not being used elsewhere. It’s much easier to work with a familiar second language - I am effectively having to learn Finnish to map Karolia properly, which is difficult for an English speaker. But feel free to use Mahhalian or a related tongue if you wish.

Don’t forget that at this latitude the map is stretched very wide.

Comment from wangi on 4 January 2016 at 12:35

“Don’t forget that at this latitude the map is stretched very wide.”

Would it be useful to setup JOSM to use a projected coordinate system?

Comment from Ernestpkirby on 5 January 2016 at 02:19

Very impressive planning! I look forward to seeing the rest!

Comment from isleño on 7 January 2016 at 16:44

Don’t forget that at this latitude the map is stretched very wide.

Yes and no. The OGF map is Mercator projection, so even though there’s lots of horizontal stretching at high latitudes, it’s balanced by an equal amount of vertical stretching. The result is that everything appears much larger than it would at lower latitudes, but there’s no extra distortion in the horizontal direction. So a square block or a square building will appear as a square (not as a flattened rectangle or rhombus or something). A little-known benefit to using Mercator!

@Alejandro — Thanks for sharing this great example of country planning. If every user did this, OGF would be truly spectacular. Can’t wait to see the mainland coasts develop to echo the jagged shapes of the nearby islands. :-)

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