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Posted by Alsatian on 22 February 2018 in English (English)

So yeah, I've got to the point where Monmouth is pretty large and it's got enough suburbs. And Hareby hasn't got that much space left, either. So, I might as well open it to you lot, since pretty much all of you are much more experienced and overall better than me at this stuff. So, what should I do with Monmouth? Please be specific, telling me to 'put in more detail' doesn't quite tell me what I should do, more what you want to happen over a long amount of time.

Comment from Jesus Antonio on 22 February 2018 at 22:10

Or what if you only make more MORE details? And if you have "sufficient" details, then more details, i recommend finish the things you have builded and then expand it.

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Comment from Alsatian on 22 February 2018 at 22:27

@magnesium It is, really. What do you mean by that? @Jesus_Antonio Hmm... ok... I sense a slight hint of sarcasm there and that doesn't give me any help, that's just a long sarcastic way of saying 'put in more detail'.

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Comment from Jesus Antonio on 22 February 2018 at 22:31

Well i say, there are big buildings. You should make little buildings like a little house. Not a "WORLD BANK CENTER" in a town of like 230 inhabitants.

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Comment from wangi on 23 February 2018 at 00:46

Have a good read of the FAQ

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Comment from The_Cute_Chick on 23 February 2018 at 01:53

Commonia needs a cleaner/fixer

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Comment from Portopolis on 23 February 2018 at 02:53

Monmouth needs to be much larger. For a major city you usually need to map at least 10 kilometers or 6 miles in each direction at the very least to make it a large-ish city, even then a city like that is only 300,000 people in Lubbock Texas or 400,000 people in Waterloo-Kitchener, Canada or 400,000 London, Canada or Bratislava's 600,000 residents, Londrina, Brazil with 700,000 residents or Konya, Turkey with 900,000 residents within this 10km reach from the city center. Focus on making more neighborhoods and the city significantly better. Use this scale tool http://tile.opengeofiction.net/util/map_scale.html?map=C/14.42803249970598/13.22651/148.73466&map2=OSM/x/40.22212/-74.74580&pxpt=0.277&scale=25000

You can see most of Monmouth's streets are way to big. The buildings are way to big. Their is way too many highways and the entire Monmouth and surrounding cities and suburbs all completely fit into the 8 square miles of Trenton easily. Trenton has only 80,000 people, Monmouth has maybe 10,000 people but the oversize buildings make it hard to tell.

Also 99% of buildings are squares with little details, Monmouth needs to be more realistic and have mostly square buildings that are much smaller in size. If you want I can build an Area in or near Monmouth to scale to help you out.

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Comment from The_Cute_Chick on 23 February 2018 at 04:38

@Portopolis,

In Hong Kong, there is 3 million people living 10 kilometres within the city centre! Haha, all your examples look very sparsely populated compared to Hong Kong

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Comment from Portopolis on 23 February 2018 at 04:39

I know but Hong Kong has a much greater area surrounding , I just want him to try a small city and see how much work it takes just to complete that.

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Comment from The_Cute_Chick on 23 February 2018 at 05:12

Hong Kong is quite a small city, given the city centre spans just 20 kilometres in diametre. I am not sure Hong Kong has a greater area because the city is located on a peninsula.

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Comment from Alsatian on 23 February 2018 at 12:29

@Jesus_Antonio Wait, there's a World Bank in Monmouth? Since when, it's only a small and badly scaled city... But I see your point. @Portopolis Your point stands, but you're using examples that have the problem in the other direction. The post offices are way too big and need drastic shrinking (it was used to show me where the postcode areas were for a time being), and quite a few of the buildings are oversized, but it is possible for a place to have more compacted populations, with a few benefits and deficits following on from it. @The_Cute_Chick Yeah, it really does. Magnesium came over, but Holton is (no offense to him) probably at the same, terrible standard as my places, and my suburbs are often drastically out of scale (take a look at Randen and neighbouring Lleaby), and there are WAY too many motorways, and too fewer public transport systems.

Also, it seems that I probably need to scrap the district thing for the moment being, to expand the city an awful lot. I've got my own territory, too, and I'm doing it differently to see if it works.

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Comment from LemonKing on 23 February 2018 at 12:42

The road system needs definitely fixing. Monmouth Spur is clumsily mapped and needs smoothing, but it is also unrealistic: far too curvy for a motorway and an unnecessary double of the Outer Ring Road. I recommend deleting Monmouth Spur altogether.

General advice: take time to make neat, stylish details: (1) Use more nodes to make curves smoother, perhaps using the circle tool for supporting closed ways that you delete before saving. (2) Pay attention to symmetry. E.g. the football field lines look far too sketchy already from 17th zoom level. (3) If you insist on making non-rectangular buildings, put much more artistic effort into them. In any case, at least 9 of 10 buildings should be rectangular or right-angled polygons (use the rectangle tool) and mostly small (let's say 30 x 15 m rather than 300 x 150 m).

Happy mapping!

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Comment from LemonKing on 23 February 2018 at 13:10

To demonstrate use of supporting circles as I suggested, I made a demo edit. I left the three circles undeleted for now (they only show in edit mode). Feel free to delete this later: http://opengeofiction.net/edit#map=17/13.20588/148.74994

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Comment from Alsatian on 23 February 2018 at 14:03

@LemonKing Yeah, the Monmouth Spur just became an unneeded and invasive double to the Monmouth Outer Ring Road, and I'm going to delete it. The stadium is still being developed, and needs tweaking. I'd say that there are still too many motorways for a small city like Monmouth, even without the M602 (Monmouth Spur).

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Comment from Alsatian on 23 February 2018 at 14:06

@LemonKing Quite a few of these junctions around that area were edited by other users. I created the ones with roundabouts, as well as half of 22C (though that's still sketchy and needs a proper roundabout or method of joining the three).

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Comment from The_Cute_Chick on 23 February 2018 at 14:27

@Everyone, take a look at Monmouth now, I cleaned it up and it should look cleaner.

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Comment from Alsatian on 23 February 2018 at 14:40

Thanks for removing the M602, and making towns/villages into boroughs/neighbourhoods. Only problem was the ring road - the M606 and M607 need to join at some point, they form the outer and most important ring road.

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Comment from The_Cute_Chick on 23 February 2018 at 15:33

@Alsatian, that was exactly what I was doing but we edited at the same time, which did or did not destroy the intersection I made.

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Comment from Alsatian on 23 February 2018 at 17:19

@The_Cute_Chick Yeah, I saw the messages. Sorry, I've put it back where it was. @magnesium Okay. I'd suggest removing a few of the roads inbetween the houses, since there's an abundance of them compared to the houses.

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Comment from Alsatian on 23 February 2018 at 18:33

@magnesium No, and no offense, but there are a ridiculous amount of roads. Look at the rest of Parkwood and indeed Monmouth, and then Holton, and you'll see what I mean.

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Comment from Alsatian on 23 February 2018 at 19:56

suddenly arrives in Cockney accent What seems to be the problem?

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Comment from Alsatian on 23 February 2018 at 20:24

Okay... I'll check if anything weird is going on, and if it is I'll try and fix it. :P

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Comment from Thunderbird on 24 February 2018 at 17:14

@Portopolis cool that you used Trenton as an example as I used to work there (right on State Street!)

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Comment from Jesus Antonio on 24 February 2018 at 19:09

Well i guess that comments dosen't matter.

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Comment from Jesus Antonio on 24 February 2018 at 19:10

I mean, comments that dosen't help much.

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Comment from The_Cute_Chick on 25 February 2018 at 08:43

@magnesium,

Sorry for modifying Springwood. I thought I could edit all of Monmouth.

And what "stuff am I making weird"?

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Comment from Alsatian on 25 February 2018 at 12:43

@The_Cute_Chick... I'll reword it. Monmouth was actually started after Springwood was. Springwood was probably the size of Holton at the time, but that's not the point. Monmouth became so much larger because I edited it so much more often, and suddenly it dwarfed Springwood. I decided to make an admin. border with Springwood (should be near the M606, then go inbetween Hareby and Lowden then off into the east). Springwood has then been left completely by magnesium, because they're interested in Holton, so it now almost looks like a Hareby-sized suburb of Monmouth. Monmouth includes: itself (duh) 1. Parkway, 2. Lleaby, 3. Randen 4. Holton 5. Parkwood 6. Mountainside 7. Hareby (Pearden Gate, Octagon) 8. the Airport 9. Yeweley 10. Anything inside that city area I made

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Comment from The_Cute_Chick on 25 February 2018 at 16:36

@magnesium,

I am not sure if you have cleared things up about Springwood, specifically when you followed it up with "*District of Springwood, I mean".

I did not realise that Springwood was not part of Monmouth. I just assume they were the same settlement because they border each other.

And you still have not mentioned what stuff I made weird in Holton.

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Comment from Alsatian on 25 February 2018 at 20:17

@magnesium I meant normal Springwood. As far as I'm aware, North Springwood was started around the same time as Monmouth.

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Comment from The_Cute_Chick on 26 February 2018 at 04:55

@magnesium, the ugly roads were already in Holton before I came to clean it. I am trying to improve the road network. Currently, I am renaming all the street names so that they do not change after each intersection and also demoting any tertiary and secondary roads that should be residential roads (and vice versa, as the case may be).

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Comment from The_Cute_Chick on 1 March 2018 at 12:47

@magnesium,

Children's Way does not exist anymore (just answering your question).

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Comment from Alsatian on 2 March 2018 at 22:01

@The_Cute_Chick I think "NOOOOO WHAT HAPPENED TO CHILDREN'S WAY" does kind of, at least, imply that he's worked out it's disappeared.

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Comment from The_Cute_Chick on 6 March 2018 at 12:39

@Alsatian,

It does not necessarily imply that he knows it has disappeared. @magnesium realising or not, I was just answering his question.

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Comment from Alsatian on 19 April 2018 at 17:52

Okay, please can we stop commenting on here?

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Comment from The_Cute_Chick on 21 April 2018 at 13:05

@Alsatian,

Why should we stop commenting on here? You should give a reason at the very least.

;P

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Comment from Alsatian on 25 April 2018 at 17:45

Because of the fact that it's a month old and most the comments that people have posted on here are pointless.

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Comment from The_Cute_Chick on 26 April 2018 at 05:07

@Alsatian,

A diary entry being a month old should not be a reason why we should not keep commenting here. However, I do agree that most comments in this diary entry are pointless.

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