Requesting Model City Recommendations for my (Northeastern) European-style City

Posted by Halvarda on 11 August 2020 in English. Last updated on 16 September 2020.

Hello, fellow geofictioneers!

(The last time I wrote, I was responsible for a different country. I thought I’d mentioned that at the top to avoid confusion and questions about that)

So, I’m working on my new country - more specifically, one of it’s northern states. I thought I should start detailing with the biggest city / capital, and then spread out towards the rest of the state.

Since I haven’t mapped a big city in detail before, I thought I should use OGF’s guide on making realistic cities. It recommends to pick a model city. The problem is that I haven’t been able to find one that fits well.

So this is where I turn to you people. I’d really appreciate if you could take a look at my city and recommend me real life cities to model after. Any kind of related tips are welcome, too!

Here’s everything you need to know:

The city in question is Skarvienne. It’s about 196 km2 in size. The population is supposed to be anywhere between 300K and 700K (probably somewhere in the middle).

I don’t know the exact topography yet, but it lies in the 0 to 200 metres zone. Since it’s surrounded by rivers, I’m gonna say it’s pretty flat. The only exception being a hill in the middle of the city, by the river. That’s where the old town would be.

Culturally, the area is a mix of Baltic and eastern Nordic (Swedo-Finnish).

Cities I’ve given serious consideration to:

Berlin - flat, several confluences of rivers, vaguely northeastern. However, its old town is kind of weird and, uh, overly modernised? I’m also not a fan of the trams. There are too many marshlands surrounding it, as well.

Kaunas - flat with low hills, a confluence of rivers, hill fort/castle old town. However, there’s only one confluence, and I don’t like the reservoir.

Wrocław - fairly flat, somewhat of a hill fort (but not really), and I just like how the core of the city looks on the map. However, as I said, it’s not really a hill fort-type old town. Also, have I mentioned that I don’t like trams?

Vilnius - this one fits, but I’ve reserved it for the national capital instead. I don’t think using Vilnius influences for several cities would be a good idea. Unless you think it is, then feel free to tell me why you think that! Hahah.

Minsk - flat, several waterways, fairly equal distribution of development on both sides of the main river. However, it’s too squarish. Look at how they squared their river. Who thinks that’s pretty??? Lukashenko is a weird man.

I’ve considered many cities in East Slavic nations, but they’re all too squarish for my taste. Oh, and FYI, I hate the new world type griddy cities, too.

Yeah, I really don’t know. I’m kind of lost. Anything you have to say or recommend is welcome at this point. Feel free to even step outside of northwestern Europe into central Europe or northwestern Asia, or elsewhere.

Thank you for your time if you do decide to help out! ♥

Location: Senamiestis, Skaistėna, Littia, Skarvenala, Keira

Discussion

Comment from Lithium-Ion on 11 August 2020 at 13:16

Well, you don’t need to take inspiration from only one city, right? Since you like part of Kaunas, take inspiration from what you like about it, and then also take inspiration from Berlin for the confluence(s), etc..

Essentially, draw from all of them what you like about them, if that makes sense.

Comment from Halvarda on 11 August 2020 at 13:35

@Lithium-Ion I know, and I plan to do that with the capital of my country. It’d be simpler to have a single model city, though. Since this is the first time I’m mapping a big city in detail, I’d prefer to keep it simple and follow the OGF’s guide closely.

Comment from Halvarda on 11 August 2020 at 18:55

I think I’ll be working on a smaller city further north (Skadėna) in the meanwhile. I found some good models for it - Šilutė (Lithuania) and Mansfield (UK).

Do keep the recommendations and tips going, though! : )

Comment from Lithium-Ion on 11 August 2020 at 23:34

There is This City the capital of Tajikistan, which lies at the confluence of multiple rivers (both in the city and right outside of it, somewhat like yours) and seems to be about the same size as your city. It seems to be quite well mapped, although I don’t know if it’s quite the style your looking for, although seeing mapping like that is something that ogf needs. I think it would make a pretty good model.

Happy Mapping!

Comment from Halvarda on 12 August 2020 at 08:38

@Lithium-Ion Not really a good fit since it’s in a valley surrounded by massive mountains. Not very European either. Thanks, though!

Comment from Lithium-Ion on 12 August 2020 at 11:16

I guess I looked a little too far out. Whoops! Anyways, best of luck with mapping Skadėna, and apologies for not being able to help more.

Comment from 2amCereal on 12 August 2020 at 11:22

Perhaps Grodno in Belarus? It might be a bit smaller than what you’re looking for but it has a confluence, old town and is fairly flat.

Also Lviv, Ukraine, which isn’t built on a river but does have a good old town that would fit the style.

Comment from Halvarda on 12 August 2020 at 13:37

@2amCereal Grodno is basically a smaller, flatter Kaunas. It even has the same river flowing through it haha. I like it, although I wouldn’t use it as the only/main model city. But if I’m going to model Skarvienne after several cities, then I might use Grodno alongside Kaunas.

Not sure about Lviv though. I don’t see a hill fort/castle in the old town?

Comment from oscar2002 on 13 August 2020 at 21:29

What about Bydgoszcz, Poland? You could just reduce the side of the big river.

Comment from Halvarda on 14 August 2020 at 17:52

@oscar2002 I quite like the core of the city, but it’s too small for Skarvienne. I might use it for other, smaller towns in the area, though. Thanks!

Comment from SwissCrusader on 17 August 2020 at 07:46

About making any European city, I want to share this:

I discovered https://mapire.eu a few weeks ago, and I think it’s a great source of inspiration. And it’s free.

You can show European maps from the 1700s and see how and where old cities and villages were made.

Then you display maps from the 1850s and add the first railways, large roads, basic industry etc.

Then you go on until the most recent maps and see how it fills up.

You even get cadastral maps from the 1880s etc. on this website… a great inspiration for village and neighborhood planning !

I haven’t made cities with this technique yet, but I’m planning to.

Your neighbour SC.

Comment from Halvarda on 17 August 2020 at 13:03

@SC That’s amazing, thank you!!!

It seems like I’d need quite a bit of patience to map a city using that technique, but I’ll try it someday. :D

Comment from stjur on 17 August 2020 at 23:20

@SwissCrusader wow, thanks a lot for the link, that’s one amazing website

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