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Diversity

Posted by James69UK on 4 February 2019 in English (English)

Diversity of the OGF World must be one of the top Issues, e.g country size, politically, equality, wealth disparity and overall the level of economic development in a given country, to live in a OGF World where every country is in the High ranking of the HDI is rather unrealistic.

Edit--- I also think that this whole idea of a global economy could relate to the FSA and a potential Community Soviet Union, ensuring we have a Limited Multi-polar world could tie in to economic prosperity. I have always thought that UL099 could be fantastic in that role, think how much natural resources it will have, also it would obviously be a strong ally with Antigo.

Comment from zhenkang on 4 February 2019 at 00:42

True. This has been discussed before. We used to have many unclaimed nations of the same size, but admins have diversified the sizes of these nations.

And yes, there is the problem of too many utopias around the OGF world. But everyone just wants their nations to be like the best, which is not really realistic. Most HDI nations also tend to have UsA-style maps, which are now moved to FSA.

There are also too few poor nations and dictatorships. I mean CO is one, but then that can be disregarded. Antigo is one of the few also under a dictatorship as well.

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Comment from Ramasham on 4 February 2019 at 02:27

I agree with you in principle, one of the pillars of verisimilitude should be that mapping reflects a realistic range of economic conditions. That should be true within countries as well as between countries.

But I think it would be very hard to turn this concept into any kind of directive for OGF mappers to follow. I’m not sure how many people are like me, but I admit that there is an idealistic element to my mapping. When I try to add beautiful things to my maps, whether natural or human-made, there’s always the thought “this would make somebody happy” in the back of my mind. Therefore, I am guilty of creating a utopia, albeit a moderately realistic one.

The problem for me is that if I were told not to do this, mapping would be a lot less fun for me. Maybe it’s immature, but I think that a day spent mapping hillside favelas, trying to convey the misery of the conditions there through the map, would drain my soul instead of nourishing it. Sure, there might be technical satisfaction from doing it well, but that’s not the number one reason I’m here.

In my defense, the people of Castine have lots of nuclear power plants and plenty of other gritty stuff, so I’m not creating a land of only sunshine and rainbows. Still, I feel like we have to accept that OGF will never be and is not meant to be simply a carbon copy of the real world with the names changed to protect the innocent.

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Comment from wangi on 4 February 2019 at 04:18

Give it a break. Map.

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Comment from Megacity2005Creator on 4 February 2019 at 04:57

The thing is, (almost) no one feels like making a country with a low HDI if they have the choice to make a more developed one, which is the case in the OGF world. Perhaps there should be a designated "underdeveloped region" in the midst of lots of unclaimed territories.

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Comment from James69UK on 4 February 2019 at 09:28

I agree with everyone saying

no one feels like making a country with a low HDI

but it is the truth, wealth is not distributed equally around the world and many nations are backwards, e.g Venezuela (vast oil reserves) or the entire of Africa with its huge amount of untapped resources.

I understand that economically, it is hard to create diversity. OGF has a global economy and at some point in the past that global economy was centred somewhere and spread, or merged with smaller exsisitng economies e.g (silk road europe and asia trade). Like the Economy spread so to did the people as new lands were discovered.

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Comment from James69UK on 4 February 2019 at 09:31

Still, I feel like we have to accept that OGF will never be and is not meant to be simply a carbon copy of the real world with the names changed to protect the innocent.

to this statement i agree, however the wiki exists meaning this world does have histroy with several users who are trying to tell the story of the OGF.

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Comment from whateversusan on 7 February 2019 at 22:05

Suya Ahn is actually intended to be a country with a lower HDI, because of climate, isolation, and the lingering effects of a brutal and lengthy civil war. But yes, when we map we're often crafting things we like and want to actually see in the world, like big and wealthy cities, extensive subway systems, national rail and road networks, and more.

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Comment from Arisuaq on 8 February 2019 at 21:03

This is really true. For example, Tarephia was firstly meant to be a poor country, similar to the real world Africa. And what it is now? Almost every country here has motorways. Africa is very poor, there is no water, no food, so they really don't care about "any" motorways. What's that interesting about motorways? I really don't know.

On opposite, I map the country of Naajaland. It is a very nice example of poor country with little population, almost no economic feases and complete resistance of joining any international organisations. And no motorways, of course.

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