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Another over asked question that i keep forgetting the answer too is there a china in ogf?
Posted by An egg trying to draw a map on 13 September 2018 in English.Is there a China in ogf yet? I’ve recently restarted whatever existed in my country and my origin being Chinese and my decent understanding of Mandarin and China, I feel I could be able to create an OGF china. I’ve been off mapping on ogf for a long time as I joined way too young to even have a good grasp of what makes a good map, I’ve played around on Cities Skylines and on paper, I feel I can start mapping for good this time. If I’m not good enough to make one I’ll just keep on trying to make my nation but I’d like too know if you think I could be capable of accomplishing this task
Please excuse this terrible ordering Egg
Discussion
Comment from Davieerr on 13 September 2018 at 22:06
Some will say Commonia, but there is no answer.
Comment from plainoldbread on 13 September 2018 at 23:12
Commonia isn’t even close to china.
Comment from iiEarth on 13 September 2018 at 23:27
Well, if there was already a country based on Chinese/Mandarin, I think so you could’ve still made your country Chinese/Mandarin because you guys would just have the same language, not infrastructure, culture, etc. Hope it helped!
-iiEarth
Comment from zhenkang on 14 September 2018 at 00:00
I have plans to create a Chinese empire called the Bai empire, which I may create as a collab if I can find a coordinator.
http://www.geopoeia.net/wiki/Bai_Empire
Comment from An egg trying to draw a map on 14 September 2018 at 00:05
Zhenkang is it only an idea/plan?
Comment from zhenkang on 14 September 2018 at 00:23
Plans yeah. I may message you later about the idea. Meanwhile feel free to browse the article.
Comment from poweikao on 14 September 2018 at 00:29
We have some Chinese-inspired countries in the northeastern tip of Antarephia.
Comment from An egg trying to draw a map on 14 September 2018 at 00:34
Huh never saw those 2 countries before
Comment from zhenkang on 14 September 2018 at 00:40
Yeah the reason why the Bai Empire is there is because it is close to Meilan and Kaosha. I have plans to make the Bai empire as a theory to test what if the Qing Dynasty still exist and modernise? Partly I dont want communist is because I dont want a political debate and create a Taiwan, but also it is uncreative. Creating an imperial chinese empire is more fun to lool forward to.
Comment from An egg trying to draw a map on 14 September 2018 at 01:03
Yeah I agree a communist government most likely would cause heated debates and I’d rather have a smaller population compared to the one China has.
Comment from zhenkang on 14 September 2018 at 01:07
It is also much smaller to the actual China in comparison.
There will be a communist faction and a democracy faction also within the kingdom, however. This is also a response to what if the revolution failed and the Chinese Civil War ended in the Imperial’s victory.
Comment from An egg trying to draw a map on 14 September 2018 at 01:24
Interesting idea
Comment from An egg trying to draw a map on 14 September 2018 at 01:25
But would the imperial government act like it was from the 1600s with an emperor or would it kind of be like the British system with the royalties
Comment from iiEarth on 14 September 2018 at 01:34
I think so the British system with the royalties would be monarchist.
Comment from zhenkang on 14 September 2018 at 02:23
It is rather a consitutional monarchy like Britain, after all I thought of the empire to be similar in certain aspects of Britain (with former colonies). However, much powers still reside in the king; there is a parliament to suggest laws but the king has the final say in law. Something like how Mynamar is ruled.
Comment from An egg trying to draw a map on 14 September 2018 at 02:54
Ohhhh that would make a lot sense
Comment from zhenkang on 14 September 2018 at 03:28
It can also be a federal monarchy like Malaysia. After all, there is about a 100 districts.
Comment from Ernestpkirby on 14 September 2018 at 17:08
I believe Meilan is sort of one of the closest ones we have, though the history starts far more recent than real life China https://wiki.opengeofiction.net/wiki/index.php/Meilan https://opengeofiction.net/#map=7/-25.096/37.112
Comment from zhenkang on 15 September 2018 at 01:13
@ernestboscby I know abt Meilan. Anyway regarding the Bai Empire and Meilan, I have contacted him about the idea and he is quite pleased with the idea. He hasnt put much thought in the current history though, becacuse there is no exact Chinese homeland.
Anyways, the empire is also rather East Asian. I have plans for the southwest to be a Japanese and Korean, northwest side to have Tibetans and Mongolians, while the Chinese (Babelic) will be the majority.
A possible map:
Comment from zhenkang on 15 September 2018 at 01:14
Oh and ernestboscby will you mind a Chinese empire to be next to Woolonia?
Comment from Ernestpkirby on 15 September 2018 at 04:42
I mean, Woolonian trade would have been cutting straight through the middle of your empire through that strait. As long as this empire would have been fine with that I suppose that would be fine, but I’m just trying to figure out how that impacts the region considering having both sides of the strait could block off a lot of the eastern countries and the fact that a lot of the countries surrounding it to the southeast and northwest have very different cultures that don’t reflect Asian influence.
I guess that’s just the nature of OGF, though I feel like this would make more sense if the two sides were two countries both with Asian influence that were once part of a larger empire vs it just being one giant country today
Comment from zhenkang on 15 September 2018 at 13:03
The empire will sometimes open or close its borders depending on the king. But in modern times from the 20th century the empire will be quite open, so yeah. I thought of making a possible strait into the east border. The empire may tried to expolit using the strait to make money in the past, which resulted in frequent wars against foreigners (a ref to opium wars in China), but of course it decided to open the sea, something like Mecyna will do.
As for culture, well, the culture spread of China does not go to Kazahstan, India or the west much. But overall the empire is in an ideal location. It is intended to also make it a superpower in the Tarephias. What with seas, lands and many neighbours.
Comment from FancyFoxy on 15 September 2018 at 13:07
It looks like that country would be right next to Peaceland (my country). I’m not exactly sure how a China-style country would make sense there, but I’m also sure some history could be made. I don’t really think the northwest region would be like Tibet and Mongolia, though, since at least Peaceland is pretty densely populated and doesn’t really function like those countries. But I mean, most of my country is still just a plan, and I could rework it to fit the greater picture.
Comment from zhenkang on 15 September 2018 at 13:12
Actually I should also apologise for not consulting with other non-Chinese members. Yeah I also need to talk with other neighbours like you.
If you like just see the history section in the article on geopoeia. (The link is also at one of my comments).
By northwest rather the south of Paroy.
Comment from iiEarth on 15 September 2018 at 18:01
@FancyFoxy, I don’t think so that you have to change your country. For example, Mongolia is bordering China’s biggest border and have few similarities. Though, the two countries don’t interact much either. Followed by Russia. China doesn’t interact much with Russia, either. India, though, has a dispute with Pakistan and China about Jammu and Kashmir. Kazakhstan, I don’t here about it much.
P.S. The dispute of Jammu and Kashmir, China fought over it in 1962, I don’t know much about now.
-Sincerely, iiEarth
Comment from FancyFoxy on 15 September 2018 at 23:00
@iiEarth: I think you have a valid point. I still want to think about how the countries influence each other, though. I’m not sure where I’m actually going to go, since my plans are currently vague and being constantly rewritten. I’ll think about what you said, but I might end up changing my plans anyway.
@zhenkang: I thought of a history that could possibly work. Peaceland could be like if Hong Kong or Macau were larger and had full independence. Maybe the empire claimed the region of Peaceland, and then an Ingerish-speaking country took over, causing a war. Then a “peace” movement begins, and gains enough support in the region that the new country of Peaceland manages to gain independence, somehow. This etymology would actually make a lot more sense than what I’ve been going for in the past.
Comment from iiEarth on 15 September 2018 at 23:07
That idea is actually good. Maybe it could be the China-UK scenario of when they were fighting and when both of the sides became weak, Macau/Hong Kong attacked or something?
Comment from zhenkang on 15 September 2018 at 23:25
In the proposed history, the empire was once a powerful conquerer and occupies Meilan, Kaosha, Adaria, Yuethon and parts of the Axian peninsula. However, overtime the empire weaken under a certain period (the Lin Dynasty), but when the empire tried to reestablish control, it is either they have wanted independnece or conquered by others.
I like the idea probably that Peaceland and Woolonia were once part of the empire, but for the case of these territories they were not forced to assimilate into the Babelic culture.
@iiearth that is what I said abt culture influences. India and China has little similarity in fact, but I think it is largely to do with the himalayans,. As for Mongolia, there is still Mongolian influnces at the border, but not vice versa. For Kazakhstan, there are also Chinese muslims at the border. Maybe for the Bai empire there are cultures influences to the kingdom too.
Comment from zhenkang on 15 September 2018 at 23:39
http://www.geopoeia.net/wiki/Bai_Empire
Comment from FictiveJ on 16 September 2018 at 02:06
I’ve also heard ER001 as a suggestion for the Chinese homeland in OGF.
Comment from zhenkang on 16 September 2018 at 04:47
@fictiveJ they have other plans for ER001, as far as I have heard from them.
Comment from HankOfTheHill on 16 September 2018 at 20:32
This would be interesting
I always saw Tarephia and North Antarephia culturally as an OGF Africa setting ex: Denta, Sokobo, Equatorial Tarephia(RW Equatorial Guinea african nation),Dania. Tropical jungles and such with two brutal deserts to the north and south(mostly in North-West area of Antarephia) I donnu, I could be crazy but it just kinda obvious to me. Even with the area being heavily colonized in the past just make more sense lol.
As for the Bai Empire, to me it could work if the said Babelics who established the first dynasty were the same explorers from Commonia who established Meilan. Ofcourse Melain would have to move his history far back (and almost change it completely lol). from the 1600s possibly to the 1100s or early 1300s. That’s enough time to get an empire started and im pretty sure Anteraphias’ had hella less population in those times. It just doesn’t come off to me as an over-populated continent or even close to Archanta, Astrasia or Uletha.
Comment from zhenkang on 17 September 2018 at 02:21
I intend the empire to be the homeland. Commonia is not China, and never be. I like your perception that the region is heavily colonised, but I rather make this empire an exception to the rule.
Comment from Ernestpkirby on 18 September 2018 at 01:01
Woolonia will not have ever been part of the empire.
Comment from Ernestpkirby on 18 September 2018 at 01:06
I haven’t had much time to work on it but the entire point of the Woolonian rework was to create a unique native culture that was fairly different. See OGF:Woolonia
Water’s edge would have been colonized to become the small modern colonized shipping port nation, while larger interior would have remained more traditional with herding societies with minimal outside influence. It wouldn’t have been part of the empire, as that would imply there’d be cultural influences that will not exist. The empire can do what it wants to outside of Woolonia, as the traditional interior “Land of the Woolen” country would have minimal connections with the outside world other than tensions with the colonized Woolonia. But the empire would not have included Woolonia.
Comment from zhenkang on 18 September 2018 at 02:03
Maybe Woolonia will have quite close ties with the empire, with free open trade. I was thinking ties between Woolonia and the empire will be like Mongolia and China, with an ‘Inner Woolonia’ in the kingdom. The plans for Woolonia being part of the empire is just a vague thought, and I am not totally serious about that idea, but only for Peaceland.
Comment from Ernestpkirby on 18 September 2018 at 05:49
I could see that making sense. I’d have to think through some of the details though
Comment from zhenkang on 18 September 2018 at 08:26
Have you also read my PM too?