New stats: Ideas

Posted by adminero_us on 25 November 2017 in English (English)

Hello fellow mappers, Since I started mapping I loved the OGF Wiki and especially the stat lists, something inside me loves checking which countries got the highest GDPs or murder rates. The thing is that we don't have many of these lists, so I'm bringing some ideas, hope you like them:

  • List of countries by average wage
  • List of countries by unemployment rate
  • List of countries by housing type (houses, flats...)
  • List of countries with paid maternity leave
  • List of countries with universal healthcare
  • List of failed states

Comment from adminero_us on 25 November 2017 at 19:33

I'm going to start setting some of them up.

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Comment from Luziyca on 25 November 2017 at 20:07

And what real use are these lists to OGF when the real priorities of our userbase should be just to map and wiki what we mapped if we do engage in Wikiing?

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Comment from oneofbeatlefan on 25 November 2017 at 20:20

@Luziyca I think a list like this makes the more mapped country much more interesting and having more depth rather than just wiki about places and places.

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Comment from adminero_us on 25 November 2017 at 20:37

@Luziyca , as @oneofbeatlefan said before, it makes the whole OGF experience more realistic and interesting. Just mapping and writing basic information about the mapped places would be enough for many, but making these lists make our countries seem more like real life countries with their issues and characteristics.

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Comment from MrOobling on 25 November 2017 at 21:04

While creating these lists is, in my opinion, good and happy, you should be aware that these list will be forever incomplete as the countries in this fantasy world are not fixed and change drastically all the time. While you may at some point be number one in a list, you may not be so in the future and hence, should never reference anything as the 'most' or 'least' in an article.

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Comment from Luciano on 26 November 2017 at 00:43

Right now, we actually need FEWER lists, not more. What we need is for people with technical skill to work out ways to create consolidated ways to store this data and present it in the wiki in a unified way.

If I had more time and slightly different priorities, I'd probably go around systematically REMOVING my countries from the existing lists. Just making a bunch of lists is not scalable, and as others have pointed out, will lead to frustration for everyone, as countries change, users join and users leave.

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Comment from Sarepava on 26 November 2017 at 00:57

To back up Luciano's comment:

*This isn't actually as important as you might think. If a country is poor, you can show that on the map. Show, don't tell. *I have no real inclination to spend time counting how many houses and such like. I've created thousands. Maybe an Overpass query, but still don't care enough. Is anyone really interested in what proportion of Karolian houses are flats? Really? *Going round dutifully filling in your country on an ever-increasing number of these lists is just too much effort. I would rather be drawing the map, or writing really necessary wiki articles about things like my head of state or important historical events.

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Comment from ParAvion on 26 November 2017 at 02:12

I can see where you're going with this, but I do question whether we need these lists. A lot of people aren't going to be bothered with calculating these, and they're not really major lists like largest cities or types of government,

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Comment from zhenkang on 26 November 2017 at 07:12

Really, more lists? I would prefer if there are more interesting lists which is related to mapping and helpful in collaboration.

Anyway, why would there be a list of murder or suicide rates? It is quite morbid to have around here.

Some of the lists are quite 'incomplete' or 'un-updated', as I can still see 'Lost Countries' on the statistics. I will remove them, but that is not really my priority.

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Comment from Ūdilugbulgidħū on 26 November 2017 at 10:49

The main issues with the wiki:

  • too few rules about page creation
  • pages are unpoliced and not revised by other users
  • information on lost countries - and things relating to them - is not removed
  • too many lists

My preference would be to delete all lists that don't serve a genuine collaborative purpose.

The lack of structure means that creativity is not encouraged.

Taking data direct from the map to link consistently to the wiki pages should be a priority for development - for anyone who can do that sort of thing. I think we could include all relevant data for a country on the country node on the map and link that to any wiki lists. When the node is deleted, automatically the country is removed from list.

Btw Alessa - thanks for sorting out my categories the other day!

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Comment from zhenkang on 26 November 2017 at 11:25

@Udi My sentiments exactly.

I thought of revising the 'Making your first article' article, but I am only allowed to edit my own country pages and add my country to relevant lists. This what the administration told me when they lifted the ban on me.

Certain rules could be as follows:

  • Follow the way and formats on Wikipedia. But that does not mean copying from Wikipedia. You can search articles which is related to the one you want to create, and compare them. Eg Changi Airport and Changke Airport (which I will create in the future)

  • Articles must be related to what you have already mapped. So you can write about significant roads and railways in your country. However, don't write long articles on what you have not mapped yet. You can put the articles in a sandbox.

  • Articles must be significant and must be somewhat of importance to OGF, your country or other countries. Please don't write about a small station in a tiny corner of your country.

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Comment from adminero_us on 26 November 2017 at 11:52

OK, understood! No more lists on OGF, just mapping and basic info.

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Comment from kingfries on 26 November 2017 at 15:10

Like all others wrote, we got an issue with overwikification. But the others talked about it already so thats solved

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