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Two Ascots??

Posted by sude on 18 July 2019 in Spanish (Español)

Hey

I think that most of you have noticed that there are two countries in the world whose names and capitals are "Ascot".

Shouldn't it get fixed?

Comment from Infrarrojo on 18 July 2019 at 15:40

Hey!

The old Ascot is an abandoned territory left by lars when he moved to Archanta, and I think admin just hasn't gotten to removing the name (and his ownership of the territory) yet. This is not that big a deal, but what is a bigger problem is that when the mapping was moved over, the old mapping was left on an island so that the same "Ascot" city mapping is in both Antarephia and Archanta, which could become a catastrophe if another user (if the territory is really unowned) chooses to build off the mapping already present here and OGF ends up with two of the same city center in the two places. However, old Ascot is still marked as owned on the territory map, and from OGF:North Archanta's logs, there is nothing about the old Ascot being abandoned. I think that the situation is either one of two possibilities:

  1. The Archantan Ascot is a new territory, and the Antarephian Ascot just hasn't had old mapping cleaned up yet for lars to further work on it.

  2. The Archantan Ascot is now lars' own territory, and the local admin (Thilo) has just not taken the other Ascot back yet.

That's the extent of my detective work for now, Best Wishes Infrarrojo

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Comment from Infrarrojo on 18 July 2019 at 15:42

But in any case, I hope to add, it will get sorted out eventually, and all the admins have a lot on their hands so it is important to be patient about this. However, I am still interested in figuring out the situation with Ascot.

Best Wishes,

Infrarrojo

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Comment from lars on 18 July 2019 at 15:53

@Infrarrojo thanks for answering! I havent realised that "old" Ascot is still alive, I dont think thats a big problem tho ;) thanks to the admins for fixing that!

Cheers Lars

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Comment from Luciano on 18 July 2019 at 16:25

I actually think it would be interesting if the OGF world DID have two active, distinct countries with the same name. It's not impossible - look at the real world Republic of Congo vs Democratic Republic of Congo, the two Chinas (Taiwan vs PRC), the Macedonian issue (Northern Macedonia AKA FYROM vs the Greek Region of Macedonia), Niger vs Nigeria, etc., Colombia vs British Columbia vs District of Columbia.

It would offer opportunities for simulated conflict or cultural identity between the two countries, and confusion ADDS to realism - the real world is full of confusion.

On a related note, a joke:

Q: What do you call a man of English ancestry from Bogatá, living in Vancouver, Canada?

A: A British-Columbian British Columbian.

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Comment from Luciano on 18 July 2019 at 16:27

Err, a minor spelling correction on the last line, above:

A: A British-Colombian British Columbian.

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Comment from Infrarrojo on 18 July 2019 at 17:55

Thanks, lars for clearing it up! Mystery solved then.

And to Luciano, as for the two countries with the same name idea- I agree that would be really interesting to see and also I remember a user diary from side about his plans to create a similar place to your Macedonia example- one of the problems with this idea though is that most users have a name picked out when they claim a territory (or at least I did).

Unfortunately, the joke didn't work for me because my screen loaded it on the bottom and I read the answer before the question. It's still pretty funny, though.

Best Wishes

Infrarrojo

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Comment from zhenkang on 18 July 2019 at 22:30

Antigo's alternative names include Pretanic Faction State or Antigoan Pretany/Pretanic Antigo. However, these arent official; its just to show Antigo is still part of Pretany, despite it declaring self independence. I still kind of cringe if Antigo is called anything with Pretany in it.

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Comment from tule00 on 21 July 2019 at 21:59

It's not impossible - look at the real world Republic of Congo vs Democratic Republic of Congo, the two Chinas (Taiwan vs PRC), the Macedonian issue (Northern Macedonia AKA FYROM vs the Greek Region of Macedonia), Niger vs Nigeria, etc., Colombia vs British Columbia vs District of Columbia.

This can work, but only if they have the same etymology/origin.

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Comment from louis_walker on 23 July 2019 at 16:12

Interesting. Noticing a theme in the Archantan Ascot, as I look closer:

This is New York harbor, upside-down: https://opengeofiction.net/#map=11/-3.0459/125.4086

This is central Boston: https://opengeofiction.net/#map=15/-3.2590/125.4970

Here's Canary Wharf: https://opengeofiction.net/#map=15/-3.2953/125.5783

Jamaica Bay: https://opengeofiction.net/#map=12/-3.2002/125.8005

Upper Hudson/Tappan Zee: https://opengeofiction.net/#map=11/-3.9019/125.0714

Bit of a mashup going on.

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Comment from louis_walker on 23 July 2019 at 16:16

Sorry, no -- misidentified Canary Wharf. Looks similar, but it's not traced.

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Comment from lars on 23 July 2019 at 17:33

@louis_walker What would you like to say with all those locations? I don’t think it’s a huge secrete that New York bay was the real world role model for Ascots bay. XD It’s just the base of New York, but just the base, I’ll change a lot... Btw there’s also Sydney, Hamburg (Germany), Quebec, Zürich (Switzerland) ...
but nothing is traced...

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Comment from lars on 23 July 2019 at 17:36

Btw Canary wharf is copied as a place holder for my own wharf... and there are some copied size copies... Like in all mapping’s I think?¿

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Comment from Rhiney boi on 23 July 2019 at 17:39

It has been fixed on the overview map by admin Wangi.

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Comment from louis_walker on 23 July 2019 at 23:43

@lars Seriously, you're claiming to have eyeballed all of that? I just overlaid it over the real deal in Google Earth and it's virtually perfect. I suppose there's a chance that you're a savant with a photographic memory.

Either way, it seems pretty straightforward that on a mapping site where we're not even supposed to use real world chain names in our placemarkers that the actual mapping should not be lifted wholesale from the real world, base or not. Especially given that much of the shorelines of New York and Boston are man-made, it also feels like a break in the verisimilitude decorum, since it's pretty hard to imagine that the land on the OGF planet would somehow have naturally formed to create a coastline that mirrors, say, the Bayonne Peninsula or Floyd Bennett Field, which is largely landfill.

And yeah, I bet most people use real-world models to help with scale and character...I certainly do. But I don't upload the copied bits, I save them as a separate layer in JOSM and only upload my own original mapping.

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Comment from lars on 24 July 2019 at 05:16

@louis_walker come on we arent in kindergarden anymore... As i already mentioned i copied the size of ny bay, is it wrong to copy the "Idea" of NY bay? Do i havo to delte that: https://www.opengeofiction.net/#map=15/-3.3630/125.5488 (thats darling harbor Sydney (the idea)) or that)) or that: https://www.opengeofiction.net/#map=15/-3.2416/125.4987 (thats Quebec harbor (the idea of it)) Im not copying any chainnames and did i said thats naturally land filled? Im not blaming your mappings either...

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Comment from louis_walker on 24 July 2019 at 07:02

You didn't copy the "idea" of New York bay, you copied the actual waterfront. I never said you copied chain names, I said that copying real-world landforms wholesale is pretty obviously a bad idea when merely using real-world chains (small scale by comparison) is prohibited. My point is that what you're doing is an order of magnitude worse.

You claim to have not traced anything, but unless you have a photographic memory there's no way you could have gotten the map this close to the real coastline. Sure you've made modifications, but the landforms are still very, very clearly New York (and I say this as a New Yorker). So you've copied real-world places, broken verisimilitude, and (on top of all of that) claimed to have not traced anything at all. Something smells fishy.

If you want to say anything about my mapping, go ahead. You're right that this isn't kindergarten, and big kids should be able to both criticize and take criticism.

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Comment from lars on 24 July 2019 at 09:21

I know its the BASE of new york, never said anything else...

show me the place where you think the coastline is traced? The only part reminding of new yorks bay is the location of Ascot at a huge natural harbor, but the rest is a totally different city and its still in work, a lot will change! I think you shoudnt judge about places before theyre even finished.

I dont think I have to judge about your mappings because the topic of this discussion is Ascot (actually it was old Ascot).

So what would you do if you were me?

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Comment from tule00 on 24 July 2019 at 11:39

All I can say is: Please, just don't copy from other maps.

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Comment from louis_walker on 24 July 2019 at 15:13

"show me the place where you think the coastline is traced?"

Traced Coastline

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Comment from lars on 24 July 2019 at 15:52

take a look at the picture its pretty obvious i havent traced anything XD I took a look at the TOTALLY identical NY bay but thats ok i think...

Cheers!

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Comment from louis_walker on 24 July 2019 at 15:54

You just contradicted yourself. And I'm done arguing with you, it's like talking to a brick.

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Comment from lars on 24 July 2019 at 16:38

Please dont get personal... ... i coud say the same of you you are convinced of your opinion, i cant even argue, tracing and looking is a difference i think, but yeah my english isnt that good... Is there anything i can do that you are happy? I dont think we are in need for such a dispute...

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