A proposal for blue countries' capital

Posted by Mapping Expert on 31 January 2020 in English (English).

Hello to the whole community.

It is a great pleasure to greet you all. This time I want to tell you about Phoenix, Mecyna. Since I started mapping in OGF I have seen the blue countries and I notice that there is a lot of incoherence (which is understandable), but something that really worries me is the capital of Mecyna for this reasons:

  1. One user (or perhaps several users) created two islands (one artificial? and the other supposedly natural), which look unrealistic in every way and violate the rules of the sea.
  2. There are many areas of the city mapped randomly or quickly, which gives it a strange look.
  3. An exaggerated network of illogical motorways that seem strange.
  4. The airport (which I think has been mapped a long time ago) looks unrealistic and probably violates many ANACA rules.

Although I don’t feel it as a priority, I think that the capitals of the blue countries should serve as an example for the mappers in those countries (like the beautiful example of Gobras City) and that’s why I want to share it with the community to try to “ improve it together. “

My suggestion for the community would be to create an English version of Panama City here (since this city and Phoenix have many geographical similarities), with certain changes (the most important change is the language …) to improve the appearance of the city . Or maybe another example city?

I want to know your opinions.

Happy mapping - Mapping Expert

Location: Blackall, Blackall Tambo Regional, Queensland, 4472, Australia

Comment from theruler on 31 January 2020 at 18:38

It’s beginner territory, you can’t expect much. With that being said, It is not possible to create coherency at its perfect.

Examples should be brought from OSM, not OGF. Gobras City has some Washington D.C. influence, for example.

Seek inspiration from openStreetmap.

Comment from histor on 31 January 2020 at 19:26

Yes - in Mecyna is a lot of unrealistic mapping, so good luck.

** But please do not change the Canal of Mecyna as important seaway-connection. **

Comment from iiEarth on 31 January 2020 at 20:11

I agree, maybe the area around the Canal (except for key parts of the Canal, and the canal itself) should be deleted. Like histor suggested in another user diary, it could become a collaborative (?) territory.

Comment from Mapping Expert on 31 January 2020 at 21:27

I want to clarify that this is only a suggestion. It would take a lot of work to do it alone, so the support of other users is required.

Although I think it could become useless, since it could end up like this again. But I trust that it is possible to do something.

Comment from yoyo21 on 31 January 2020 at 21:30

I am very much in support of tearing down the entire city of Phoenix. We should also rename it due to naming reasons (Phoenix, Arizona, USA).

Comment from histor on 31 January 2020 at 21:51

Phoenix is a common name for a special bird and has its special meaning, to stay up and fly away after burning as a sign of hope. Plays a great role in the Harry Potter story, as you know.

So Phoenix / Arizona is not the original of this name, but only one of many towns and places carry this name of hope. Therefore I think Phoenix / Mecyna can behold the name.

Comment from iiEarth on 31 January 2020 at 23:39

Well, Phoenix is a real-life name. And not some sort of small town; a city with over a million people, and the capital of Arizona.

Comment from Mapping Expert on 1 February 2020 at 00:13

I have an important question about all this: do we need the regional admin’s approval to do this, although this is a blue country?

I also want to ask the help of a user with good experience in JOSM to start the re-mapping. I would be very happy to do the general design of the city.

Comment from Mapping Expert on 1 February 2020 at 00:16

@theruler I know that this country is blue and that it is normal to have areas with irregular mapping here (that is part of the learning of new users in OGF). The plan is to have a well-mapped capital in which everyone can contribute and thus help the new ones learn how to map well.

Comment from histor on 1 February 2020 at 00:40

Sure Phoenix / Arizona is a real-life name. But named by an common mythologican bird. So here is not important Phoenix / Arizona, but the mythological bird. This name can be used everywhere and I think, on real earth are 1000 places named Phoenix. It is a trivial name like “Prettybeach” or “Ashhill”

Comment from iiEarth on 1 February 2020 at 02:10

If those places are sprawling metropolises, then, no, we can’t use them.

Comment from iiEarth on 1 February 2020 at 02:12

Also, I could only find about five places that are named ‘Phoenix’ (excluding hamlets and villages).

Comment from Megacity2005Creator on 1 February 2020 at 04:43

the point that histor is trying to make is that “phoenix” is not as recognizable to the average person than other places might be. if an ogf town is named phoenix, then users most likely won’t assume it will be similar to phoenix, arizona immediately, they’re more open to other possibilities.

it would be another story if the town were given a unique, world-renowned name like “new york city” or “rio de janeiro”. new york was named after the duke of york after king charles gave the land to him. “rio de janeiro” was given to the bay that the city sits on after the portuguese arrived at the site in january, mistakenly thinking the bay was the mouth of a river. there isn’t really much “wiggle room” around the way these cities could have been named.

by contrast, phoenix, mecyna could have many different possible etymologies that could be unrelated to the real life phoenix.

Comment from Tahadagal on 1 February 2020 at 05:19

honestly, i support this. it really looks rushed and unfinished, or at least a good part of it. id like to help start by completely redoing this ( this could be much simpler, as the two highways ending tint have many, if any, exits in Phoenix, so i might completely redo that sometime soon.

Comment from Tahadagal on 1 February 2020 at 05:24

Sorry for the other comment, but theres two airports, we could probably delete the bad one. the ok one is here:

Comment from yoyo21 on 1 February 2020 at 15:06

I wouldn’t think we would need the regional administrator’s approval, although given the current state of Phoenix, I’m sure a reconstruction plan would definitely be approved.

Comment from Mapping Expert on 1 February 2020 at 16:24

The most important thing to continue with the project is to find mappers that help with:

  1. Elimination of most of the city for its redesign.
  2. Basic design of the city (streets, parks, main buildings…).
  3. Development of the area near the canal (in the style of the old Panama Canal Zone), that is, with a somewhat different design from the rest of the city.
  4. Neighborhoods of the city (which will then expand with the help of new and old users).

I hope there are people who can help me improve the city.

Comment from Mapping Expert on 2 February 2020 at 01:09

Hi everyone! I invite you all to give your opinion, contribute and present proposals in OGF:Phoenix. Anyway, whoever wants to keep reviewing here can do it.

Happy mapping - Mapping Expert

Comment from zhenkang on 2 February 2020 at 02:59

Just a suggestion: If yall want to change the name of the city, you can translate the name to its native language (what is the native language I cannot be sure; I rather leave it up to yall to decided).

Comment from Rustem Pasha on 2 February 2020 at 11:26

It’s hard to do translate some names into native language because they aren’t really translated but eventually transliterated according to the norm of local language. Phoenix is an example of it. We have foinix (original, source word), phoenix, phönix, phenix, feniks, fieniks (and anka kuşu but it don’t fit the theory so lets leave it here)…

Real world, generic names may be reused but it’s better when they come from small villages.

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