OpenGeofiction

Toponymy and verisimilitude

Posted by eleinads on 29 January 2019 in English (English)

I am mapping the northern area of Giliarca, where I dedicated an avenue to Antigo, since it was one of the great cities that were missing in the toponymy of my city.

But then I started to think again... does a name like that meet the criteria of likelihood? Is it normal for the capital of a democratic republic to dedicate an avenue to the capital of a totalitarian regime? Isn't it a bit like there's "Pyongyang Avenue" in New York?

mmmhhhh... I don't know... I think that OGF guidelines require me to change the name of this avenue... I don't know what you think about it.

Location: 12,275, 61,785

Comment from austinhuang on 29 January 2019 at 20:54

I mean we don't have much names available in ogf anyway

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Comment from eleinads on 29 January 2019 at 21:00

austinhuang,

what do you mean? For the map of Giliarca I found them all, and there are still many.

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Comment from histor on 29 January 2019 at 22:43

And I see streets with names of famous OGF-writers or politicans. Thanks for it.

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Comment from Luciano on 29 January 2019 at 23:47

You can think of a reason.

There's always a way to rationalize things.

One of the major thoroughfares in Seoul is named Teheran-ro (태해란로) - after the Iranian capital. The southwest to northeast avenue here:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/37.5018/127.0352

It's a very tony district of Seoul, famous from the Gangnam Style viral video of a few years ago. So it's a major street with a similar status as Park Avenue in NYC.

The fact that current relations between the countries is poor doesn't change that. I've never heard of anyone suggesting the name should be changed.

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Comment from zhenkang on 30 January 2019 at 01:31

Hmm I can map an embassy there. It can be a Little Antigo, for immigrants (and defectors taking on new identities) in Gardensa.

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Comment from zhenkang on 30 January 2019 at 01:32

There can be a 'Down with the Briarmacks' restaurant...

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Comment from Mike's World on 30 January 2019 at 03:18

I am wondering why you have a lagoon named Flamingo on the 61 degree latitude? Also, like Luciano said, New York, Seoul, and Tokyo are quite slimier in their media and downtown. Giliarca sounds like a Baltic State or a Finish name, but that's my opinion.

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Comment from louis_walker on 30 January 2019 at 05:00

"New York, Seoul, and Tokyo are quite slimier in their media and downtown."

What on earth does that mean??

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Comment from Luciano on 30 January 2019 at 05:31

"New York, Seoul, and Tokyo are quite slimier in their media and downtown."

What on earth does that mean??

@louis: indeed. I have the same question.

@Mike's:

And what does what I had to say have to do with it? I was addressing the toponymy question.

Also, Fairbanks, Alaska, (64°N) has a "Red Palm Court." I know it's not a local species. It's just a name.

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Comment from eleinads on 30 January 2019 at 10:43

MIke's World:

"I am wondering why you have a lagoon named Flamingo on the 61 degree latitude?"

1) 61 degree is longitude, not latitude; Giliarca is on the 12.2 degrees latitude.

2) on the 12 degrees latitude there are flamingos (In RW, and i suppose in OGF too).

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Comment from Mike's World on 30 January 2019 at 15:24

I am sorry for the confusion, I didn't know what eleinads and Luciano was getting at. Was he trying to say "it doesn't matter what kind of street name you have in a city?"

I'm sorry I got latitude and longitude mixed up, I read it like a mathematical coordinate plane! I shoulda double checked the coordinates by a quick drag up to see if latitude change.

I'm an a teenager who just happens to like maps, so I'm not quite obscure in these questions yet. I guess I'm not ready to "run with the big dogs."

But you gotta admit Giliarca does have that Baltic sound to it.

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Comment from Mike's World on 30 January 2019 at 15:40

Ok I get what your saying. Antigo is a Soviet style country and your naming a street Antigo in your city that is a Representative democracy. Hmmm, with all the streets you have I can see you've run out of street names. Maybe dedicate an avenue to different country let's say Gobryssana Avenue (if you haven't done it already), like there's a Mexico Street, Pittsburgh. https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/40.47911/-80.04159

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Comment from eleinads on 30 January 2019 at 16:28

@Mikle @Zhenkan

Mike don't worry, we're not at a geography test :-) However, your intervention was very useful. Also to distinguish:

a) It is one thing to dedicate a lagoon to an animal species, because it is supposed to be there (it would be strange if Hudson Bay were called "Bay of the Penguins"). So your request for clarification made sense, but as we have seen, flamingos at giliar latitude are there. (On the aspect of a giliar, I would say that we can create a separate discussion: now we talk about the names of the streets).

b) Another thing is to dedicate a big avenue to a foreign capital that is part of a totalitarian state.

I've been thinking about this for a long time: dedicating a way to Antigo is fine, but what I had identified is too big, wide and long for a country that is not well seen by other states and the Assembly of Nations. It is better that a smaller road be dedicated to Antigo, which I shall now identify. I can't follow Mike's advice because Gobryssana Avenue is already in Giliarca. I will dedicate the great avenue to Ereva: the only continent to which a street in Giliarca has not yet been named.

To answer zhenkan:

With regard to the embassy in Antigo I would say no; let's not put it on, it would be excessive, it would imply a formal diplomatic relationship, which, given the status of Antigo, cannot be there.

Instead, about the restaurant, why not? But, zhenkan, put it directly on yourself. Choose a building you like in Giliarca (in the old town or in the modern city, where you want it), which is not already tagged, and tag the restaurant. Then tell me.

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Comment from zhenkang on 30 January 2019 at 22:54

We still need an embassy of sorts in Gardensa, for ocassional visits to see the launch preparations and the launch itself. Maybe a 'community office' such as 'Antigoan Affairs Commission' can be built, instead of a full embassy.

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Comment from eleinads on 30 January 2019 at 23:34

zhenkang, ultimately, I have to agree with you.

I did a search in RW, to see where the embassies of North Korea are. I saw that he has an embassy in Berlin, London, Rome and Madrid...

and then, I'd say I was wrong. Giliarca certainly can have the embassy of Antigo (and on the other hand there is also the agreement on the use of the Space Base).

So you can proceed: choose a building not already tagged, where you want to Giliarca, and enter the tag by yourself.

I ask you to write in double language, in yours and the local language:

"Ambasciata del Pretanic Faction State" or "Ambasciata di Antigo"

Then please tell me which building you've chosen.

Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator

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Comment from zhenkang on 31 January 2019 at 02:46

I have built the embassy and the controversial restaurant here: https://opengeofiction.net/#map=17/12.27125/61.80421. Feel free to build up the area. Can I also build a Cuppa Temple as well.

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Comment from eleinads on 31 January 2019 at 09:12

zhenkang :

That's great. Good work. I fixed the disposition and the names of the streets.

Add also the temple by yourself: but it must not occupy a total of more than a square of 100 meters per side.

Then it will be all right so: for the moment I ask you not to do any other intervention besides this, I'll develop the mapping of the neighborhood.

Thanks!

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Comment from zhenkang on 31 January 2019 at 09:48

It should be J. L. Briarmack and not John Briarmack; that is the usual form of his name. Also dont ask why there will be a small grave near the Cuppa Temple; just normal rituals of child sacrifices.

I rather you named the street Kuyak than Del Kilsur (I may fix it). Del Kilsur, Karak-a-ja is known today as a probable rebel stronghold. Everything in Karak-a-ja has been denied in existence by the Antigoan government since a violent uprising in the duchy. The Antigoan government expressed displeasure at any mention of the 'invisible state', so no references must be made to anything in it. Think of Karak-a-ja as a large unperson (read 1984 for details)

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Comment from eleinads on 31 January 2019 at 10:11

zhenkang, according to the law of Gardensa, the temple is admitted only as a place of prayer, and human sacrifices are forbidden. you can enter the temple only if it is an aseptic building. if then inside they happen clandestine activities, it is another discourse that does not concern the mapping.

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