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Commonia's Capital

Posted by iiEarth on 21 August 2018 in English (English).

Hi guys, I have another problem which has been bugging me for the past few days. There seems to be 4 capitals for Commonia.

Confluencia

Altaville

Kapashi Lookorti

New South Reagan

Can I please know which capital is the actual one or are all of them the capitals?

Thanks!

Comment from zhenkang on 21 August 2018 at 00:35

Does it matter, given the current state of the country? Just dont care.

Comment from The_Cute_Chick on 21 August 2018 at 05:45

@iiEarth,

The capital is Altaville since it is the most “complete” or detailed capital of them all. I would (and have done for some) demote them as seen appropriate to capital=4/6 for other capitals.

So until/unless there is a more convincing settlement candidate as capital, I would prefer to keep Altaville as the only national capital of Commonia.

;)

Comment from John1985 on 21 August 2018 at 06:47

Agreed.

Comment from LemonKing on 21 August 2018 at 08:44

How do you define a capital? Why mention these four cities specificly?

If you look at capital=yes tagging, the current capitals of Commonia are New South Reagan, Rovigna, Altaville and an unnamed node north of Alesandria. In the wiki, on the other hand, Ombo is currently defined as the de jure capital of Commonia, and none of the other cities are mentioned at all except Altaville.

I know Commonia is a mess, but still, I think there there should be some degree of consistency between wiki, map details and map tagging. As there seems to be some agreement that Altaville is the capital, the capital=yes tagging as well as the wiki should be edited accordingly asap. This is easy to change later if other agreements are made.

Comment from poweikao on 21 August 2018 at 08:51

How about let’s make a referendum and let everybody vote for their ideal capital? It’ll be fun.

Comment from Yuanls on 21 August 2018 at 09:05

The situation in Commonia is complicated. The wiki page states the Commonian capital is still Ombo de jure, as in Ombo was the last offical capital before whatever war broke out.

I imagine Altaville would be the ‘AN approved’ capital of Commonia, as it was the capital of the AN sanctioned faction to fight against the Fascist Commonians, even though there’s no longer any entity for Altaville to be a capital of.

The capital of the Commonian Confederation, the ‘successor’ of the prewar fascist Commonian government, has their capital in a place called Rebekan. Rebekan doesn’t exist on the map so someone should probably create this place or change the wiki article.

Comment from TheMapper27 on 21 August 2018 at 12:51

I would vote for Altaville..

Comment from Yuanls on 21 August 2018 at 13:26

Let’s weigh it up:

Confluencia is surprisingly well and extensively mapped for a Commonian city, although there doesn’t seem to be any kind of government agencies or functions mapped. There’s very little space to add government buildings in without deleting something else, and the scale of the city is slightly overwhelming if we are to decide where the governmental organs go.

Kapashi Lookorti should not even be a contender.

Altaville has no governmental structures of higher level than the ‘Altaville City Hall’. It’s well mapped in places and empty in others, meaning we can add government buildings with relative ease.

Ombo is very large and undermapped, which I guess is understandable because it’s very large. (slightly larger than Paris in terms of area) As the cities stand, it is still the only Commonian city that has Commonian governmental bodies mapped, and so it’s understandable that Ombo has been described as the de jure capital.

My proposal is for Ombo to be capital of the Commonian Confederation, but Altaville to be the AN (but not necessarily the internationally) recognised capital. But until we get the buildings mapped in Altaville, the wiki page capital stays at Ombo.

Comment from zhenkang on 21 August 2018 at 13:50

@Yuanls. In a possible cleanup project, I have plans to create more capitals of other factions. Like your work beforehand in the north of Commonia, it could be the capital of the North Commonian Alliance. Other cities mentioned could be more developed and made into capitals of other unrecognised factions.

Comment from chazeltine on 21 August 2018 at 15:26

I like to think that Ombo is the current de facto capital of Commonia for the points that Yuanls makes. But since some of you seem intent on finding a de jure capital (what’s wrong with Ombo, anyway, other than the fact that it needs to be appropriately mapped?), I also would like to put some other options before you:

  • Build a new, neutral capital city for Commonia à la Brasilia/Canberra
  • Designate a different, existing city as the capital for its neutral location à la Ottawa
  • Designate multiple capitals for historical reasons à la Bolivia/South Africa
  • Have no city designated as the (de jure) capital of Commonia à la Switzerland (I recommend this one)

I believe that at some point in the recent past, isleño did remove the capital statuses from all such capital cities in Commonia, so the admins’ intents and actions might be something to keep in mind going forward.

Comment from MrOobling on 21 August 2018 at 16:04

I’ve always felt that Ombo is a really silly place for the capital though. In the middle of the jungle, right on the southern edge where Commonia is most anarchic and it is not easily accessed by colonial powers. Arguments similar to IRL Brasilia doesn’t work because it isn’t in a strategic location.

I agree that having no de jure capital is the most sensible thing for the present day but I also think that even having Ombo as a de facto capital doesn’t make sense given its location. Either Ombo should be moved (which I think would be easy and work well) or a different de facto capital should be chosen

Comment from FictiveJ on 21 August 2018 at 23:03

It’s probably Ombo, since according to the wiki Ombo has over 9 million inhabitants… Altaville, meanwhile, is very small (only 32,000 people).

However, Duvar Region is much more developed than the rest of Commonia.

Comment from iiEarth on 21 August 2018 at 23:14

Thanks for all the replies, guys! I think so the capital should be Altaville, as it already is, and is more developed than Ombo (Confluencia is way more developed, but has too less of space).

Comment from iiEarth on 21 August 2018 at 23:16

Also, if you see here, there is suddenly a state called North Reagan which was originally called Turk_______ (sorry, I forgot its full name).

Comment from zhenkang on 22 August 2018 at 00:35

Ombo is in the jungle probably to hide some CC people on the run….

Comment from chazeltine on 22 August 2018 at 02:18

I wouldn’t go so far as to dismiss Ombo as an unrealistic location for a capital.

In terms of location, the most plausible counterpart to Ombo would be Manaus, Brazil, which is 900 miles/1400 km form the ocean (much farther than Ombo is from the coast) and where the best way to get to the city is by plane or by boat.

In terms of quality of life, Ombo could be similar to the war-torn capital of Baghdad, where approximately nine million people live despite Baghdad’s relatively inhospitable conditions, and where the city is attempting to rebound despite the ongoing conflicts in the region.

Realistically speaking, I think that a faction seeking to maintain its legitimacy over all of Commonia would seek to keep control of–rather than abandon–Ombo, since that is where the seat of government is. As the map stands, Ombo represents Commonia, and to take Ombo is to wrest control of Commonia for your own faction. The critical political value of Ombo may very well mean that the regions surrounding the the city may be the most volatile in all of Commonia as various factions seek to take control of the city for themselves.

Keep in mind that better-mapped doesn’t always mean better-developed. Ombo may not be mapped in any significant detail at this time, but one can presume from the layout that already exists that Ombo is one of the major cities of Commonia.

Comment from isleño on 22 August 2018 at 17:34

Just a quick reminder that this country won’t be sticking around long-term in its current form, so any discussion about its capital is moot.

Comment from zhenkang on 22 August 2018 at 23:06

If we can salvage Commonia without admin, why not?

Comment from Mike's World on 23 August 2018 at 15:09

New South Reagan is the state/province/territory, whatever you call it of the northern peninsula of South Reagan. But it’s not a good capital because the streets arn’t named and the city bearly had buildings, if any.

Comment from Mike's World on 23 August 2018 at 15:11

Sorry I meant the capital of South Regan


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